The life of a con man part 2

[Trees]

An Ann died age 67 Birmingham March qtr 1874 and a Thomas age 70 in Birmingham Dec qtr 1879  So that fits very well
So why did Ann run off and marry ETO the witnesses were his mum and step dad no one from her family did they even know she had married I wonder, Did she lie about her age her age Did Dinosaur say anything about age on the certificate? must read back
H

[jaywit]

Trees I'm sure Hannah is Ann forget the incorrect birth place.
 Although Edward Smith and his wife and child are in the same house they are a seperate household and with Smith you can't assume anything.
I agree we need to know what Ann said about her age on the marriage cert.
I'm sure ETO told her tales of his adventures and bowled her over, but I can't see what was in the marriage for him, apart from someone to look after him.
 Ann came from such a different background to him, to me I just can't see why he married her.

[toni*]

maybe she took comfort in a (con)mans arms and one thing lead to another  
there are so many assumptions you could make but really only she and ETO will know the truth

[jaywit]

Yes Toni but it all happened so quickly, at the longest we can possibly manage it there was only 8 weeks between a first meeting and the marriage. If we believe ETO there was only 3 weeks. So no time for any possible pregnancy to show. Then to end up dead somewhere in Australia, no death recorded.......

[Trees]

Just checked the Edward Smith on 1871 was just married to Ann's Sister Eliza Edward was only 21 in 1871 and they had a 9mo son Eliza should have known better she was 24 but it shows that Thomas and Ann stood by them as they had in 1861 with daughter Harriett and her husband both 24 with a 2 yr old daughter living with Thomas and poor daughter Sarah who married in Sep qtr 1859 and was widowed in June qtr 1860  she too was living with dad 1861. No I think it was Ann going off the rails rather than poor parenting. was she away from her nice sheltered home as a servant met the smoothie ETO and the rest became history I doubt  we will  ever know
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[jaywit]

Trees
 I can see how Ann fell for ETO but I'm sure in my own mind ETO didn't do anything unless there was something in it for him.
The way he treated his children later on makes you wonder if he was mentally unstable at times.
I still can't see why he needed to marry in such a rush.
I'm off out for the day see if anything else turns up.

[mc8]

Thank you Ian yes we have found those didn't he look distinguished apparently even when he was living in a shack made from orange boxes he wore a carnation and looked prosperous. Dread to think how he financed his many projects like  his travel expenses, bringing his siblings to America, buying the land at Lake Titus and the Chasm.

well we know about the theft and fraud. I wonder how many of his patients suddenly passed away and left their money under the bed? The tobacco tycoon  in the fraudulent marriage was the founder of british american tobacco and very wealthy-(no idea how ETO came to treat him, but I've no doubt ETO snitched because he thought there was something in it for him. As for the psychology, he seems to be a true psychopath- gratification in criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes.They gain satisfaction through their antisocial behavior and lack remorse for their actions-good description here http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm
Monique

[Trees]

Monique that is a really good link gosh it describes ETO to a T.
Many thanks
I did see somewhere a series of adverts that he had placed advertising the services of private nurses I wondered if Alice was sent out in that capacity she was described as a nurse on one of the censuses If a client asked for a "Mail order Male" nurse I suppose he went himself It was that Duke case where he as nurse called Dr sent for the Dr rather showing up the falsehood of the title
H

[Trees]

Dinosaur who were the parants of Frances TURNER niece of Frederick TURNER on the 1871 census please? Do Frances and Frederick marry ?
H