The life of a con man part 2

[jaywit]

Dinosaur You have probably told us somewhere, but what was ETO's occupation on his marriage to Annie Pratt?
 He left the army July 1862 and married Annie Sept 1862, so a short courtship? bearing in mind if they were married by banns they would have had to give 3 weeks notice of the marriage.
 I wondered if he was working at the Turkish baths in Birmingham?

[jsiverspace]

deaths;

Francis Turner Osbaldeston, died  Jun 1968
- Pinellas, Florida

Olive Teel Osbaldeston, died  Jan 1958
- Pinellas, Florida

doesn't seem that this couple had children.


Only two of ETO's children had children:

     Edwin Julian Osbaldeston (John Edwin Turner) had a son Donald Turner
     Normandie (Norma) Alice Osbaldeston Siver had a son, Kenneth Ludbrook Siver

[jsiverspace]

Above post is a reply to debUSA #249

[Dinosaur]

Hello jaywit. On his 1862 marriage certificate ETO's occupation/profession is listed as "Agent." I haven't found any hints as to how he was occupied from mid-July until his marriage in Sept. According to family notes he met Ann Pratt at Acock's Green on Sept 1, 1862. So, yes, it was an extremely short courtship--or more like love at first sight followed by the banns and the marriage!

I can't prove it but I don't think ETO worked in Turkish baths until he moved to London following his marriage.

It was on March 7, 1865 that ETO and Ann Pratt sailed from Plymouth to Queensland on the Lobelia. Accounts of the arrival of the Lobelia on July 2 and the ship's quarantine for a month can be found in the Brisbane Courier which is on the Australian newspapers website.

There are articles about Turkish baths in Australia in which ETO worked (in Melbourne, Ballarat and Adelaide) in 1866-67 but those newspapers (for those dates) are not yet on the National Library of Australia's website.

Lastly, in addition to two grandsons by two of his children by Alice Agnes Moore, ETO also had two grand-daughters by his youngest daughter Mascot (his daughter by his German mistress Louise Weiss). Both grand-daughters are still living, one in Texas, the other in South Carolina.

[jaywit]

 Dinosaur They married on 21st September if I remember correctly. Looking that date up on the day calculator it was a Sunday.
 So if they  were married by banns then I don't know if the banns could be read on the day of marriage or not.
If not then the banns would be read on 31/8, 7/9 and 14/9. If they could be read on the same day then they would be read on 7/9, 14/9 and then 21/9. Very tight bearing in mind it was a busy city church, they would need to see the vicar, arrange for the banns to be read etc.
I wonder what he told the vicar as an excuse to get married so quickly?

[Dinosaur]

Thanks for that, jaywit. On my next visit to the Society of Genealogists I'll look for the banns in the registers for All Saints, Hockley. It could well be that the Sept 1 date in the family notes is incorrect. In addition to telling lots of fibs, ETO was also not very good at remembering dates, people's names, place names ...

[Trees]

Hi everyone I am back and trying to catch up with the latest posts. ETO still has so much to reveal I am now curious about the wife separated from her husband mentioned. Dinosaur did I read somewhere there was trouble with a client in Australia and some one accused him of seducing his daughter must do a quick re read through my notes
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[mc8]

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Lastly, in addition to two grandsons by two of his children by Alice Agnes Moore, ETO also had two grand-daughters by his youngest daughter Mascot (his daughter by his German mistress Louise Weiss). Both grand-daughters are still living, one in Texas, the other in South Carolina.

is Alexandra no longer alive then? ( she was in 2007 age 93 in Plano, Texas-her descendents are still alive). Interesting that she also weaved a particularly exotic history.

  ;DETO reminds me of an ex colleague who arrived at my british university and proceeded to try to schmooze senior management. I was asked to mentor him and when criticised for an inappropriate response to a student blew a gasket and became very nasty. A bit of research into his cv showed fabrication, including a Phd bought for $30 from an office in Bangkok. He 'resigned' from us, and moved to London School of Economics and is now  on the MBA programme at a chinese university business school.
Like ETO lots of things on his current cv have a bit of truth in them-
educated at Yale-maybe he applied
head of Italian Practice of McKinsey & Company-he was an employee for a time
Then President of consumer business of Ciba-Geigy (pharma, Switzerland.)-an employee
Later, VP of Italian practice of Booz Allen Hamilton-an employee
editor of an international marketing journal-a web page with 8000 hits
governor Davos think tank-only a delegate at a conference
earned PhD-bought in Bangkok
Prof. of Business Studies at Jilin University-maybe once employed, not a prof
also a personal friend of Berlusconi-that could well be true as they seem to be birds of a feather!

seems like the same personality type (there is a Tory MP who went to prison who is not dissimilar..). Names removed to protect the innocent
Monique

[jaywit]

Monique


'also a personal friend of Berlusconi-that could well be true as they seem to be birds of a feather!'

Silvio Berlusconi or Jim Berlusconi from Pizza You Like?