The life of a con man part 2

[mc8]

Hi Deb
I thought I'd try to update that timeline with just the stuff that isn't hearsay or ETOs own stories (so I missed out the bit about him watching the charge of the light brigade..)
What are german records like? One of the articles mentions a town in Prussia where he was reputedly imprisoned after killing White and another
1838Edwin Turner Q3 1838 Cheltenham ? Par Josiah Turner and Mary Ann
1839   
1840   
1841 Under TURNER, UK HO107/ 353/10 fo20 p 6
1844Ann PRATT was born 1844 Solihull daughter of Thomas and Ann nee Thorne
1851 Under JAMES, Uk
1854 Alice Agnes Moore (Turner/Osbaldeston) born 28 Sept 1854 Suffolk
1854 ETO moves to San Fransisco...supposedly , see passport application

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1859b Julian Turner Osbaldestone 25 dec 1859, Birmingham-supposedly as on death cert . Eto enlists Royal Artillery occupation was listed as "Shoemaker."
1860   
1861 maybe employed at Turkish Baths  ..left them in 1864 to go to Aus
1862 m Edwin Turner Osbaldeston & Ann Pratt 21 sep 1862 Birmingham Warks
186221st September 1862 at All Saints, Birmingham, Warwickshire
1864Josiah b, d 1864 London  May 1864 London  UK, also leaves for Aus according to Joseph Burton (owner of Turkish Baths, London)
1865   

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1866b Annie Mabel TURNER   I Wellington St Collingswood Melbourne
   
   period between 1865 -1876
   Annie disappears, ETO jailed/escapes, Aus
   One newspaper article does state that ETO had been on a ball and chain for 10 years whilst serving his sentence in Aus!
   ETO States in the Who's Who Magazine (of 1909) that he had been part of the Burke and Will's exploration team who had gone looking for new areas and to find out what happened to Ludwig Leichardt.... B&W had started out in 1861 and both died June 1861 ... so ETO was not in the party ... so how could Annie have been dragged off by a Kangaroo! Also there were no women in the party, just 15 men!!!!  ETO and Annie Pratt only arrived in Aus circa 1864/5 (see post on next page)
1867ETO in prison Adelaide
1873Yatala Labour Prison, Adelaide. Prisoners’ Register, Vol. D, 1866-1871, folio 165. 13 Jan 1873…ETO release
1876 ETO spotted in NZ, is jailed there then escapes from Addington jail and returns to Melbourne to get his daughter, Annie mabel.

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1879 Alice agnes Moore/Turner/osbaldeston arrives in US ..she is consistent with this on censuses, naturalization record and passenger lists.
1880 ETO, Agnes, Annie TURNER living in Manhattan Edwin F Osbalditone = Alice a Moore may, Kings co, ny; also Augusta M A Turner born Rome, USA ( born after US 1800 census and 6 months prior to UK 1881 census) ...need to look for incoming passener list. B Ethel
1881 Alice, Annie and Augusta TURNER in Suffolk with her dad Josiah MOORE
1882 IGI ext Edwina Agnes Turner Osbaldeston  30 Jan 1882 Manhattan
1883Edwin Julian b Mar 1883, NY
1884Geneva b June 1884, NY
1885   
1886Normandy/ie b July 1886 NY:  "dr" Osbaldeston located in Watkins Sobulyer? county and assumed to be a physician from Jamestown. He managed to separate a wife from her husband and was obliged to leave": Nov 14th 1886 ETO and Mrs Metzger arrested in Montreal. His bail ($1700 ... ) was paid by Edward J Mannix who it seems was security at Lake Titus.
1887ETO naturalized 16 Sept 1887, NY
1888Francis b June  NY; Annie mabel (Annie Pratt's dau) leaves home to marry Frederick Elliot Knowles Manhattan cert # 1761
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1889   
1890 Alberta Born June 1890 NY,;  NY Directory has Osbaldeston massagers NY City Directory 1890 721  6th ave OSBALDESTONAgnes,Charles T ,Edwin T,Edwin T jnr, Francis Tjullian T. Julian Osbaldeston = Anna K Schwalb 30 april 1890 cook co Ill:

1891
1892   
1893 ETO accused of Child Abuse nyt jun6
1894Daily Tribune, Sunday April 22 , 1894 school of massage-daughter Ethel get 'diploma'
1895
1896   
1897   
1898 Mrs Ethel J Osbaldeston and Kids leave UK 5 nov , arrive NY 12 Nov 1898
1899   
1900 US Census ..2x Edwins ... 1 = PENN, 1= NYWest 63rd street:Francis Cook Co, Ill, OSBALDESTON Boarder White Married born Dec 1849 England of English parents, Massage treatment - immigration date 1883 wife Sarah
1901 ETO on killing spree in Germany, reported to German Embassy in Ny
1902ETO..passport application for son  in PENN, Alice Agnes gets Naturalized, also Geneva leaves home to marry, report in newspaper Oct 27th to say she had not been abducted, Mother notfied (not dad!)
1903 ETO returns from Hamburg, 8 aug 1903 (to correct address in NY): 28 Jan: Geneva A. OSBALDESTON/Frederick D. MILLER, Manhattan
   ...how can he be in Germany 1901-1903 and in USA in 1902
   Aug 15th 1903, Ms Lugas fearing for her life as "Prof." ETO threatens to kill her! Mrs Lugas aka Miss May is supposedly his WIFE! Mrs Lugas (with her daughter) had been housekeeper to the German guy that ETO had killed. (ETO got off the charges pleading insanity) ..this occurs 15 Aug 1903 a week after he has returned from Hamburg! could Miss May/Mrs Frank Lugus be Louise WEiss/Molzger??
1905jan. Treats elderly tobacco tycoon Duke prior to his marriage to fraudster Alice Desplaines who later remembers nothing. ETO reports her, says he has known her for 12 years
1910[DR Edwin Turner leaves Southampton , arr NY on 13 June 1910: US Census .. ETO, Alice, Alberta and Francis living in Manhattan .. census taken 29 April 1910, so maybe the above Dr. Edwin Turner is not "ours"
   Alice Agnes leaves Southampton 10 sept 1910 arrives Ny Sept 18 , address; 218W 82nd St NY
1913 Alice Agnes leaves NY and Arrives UK 12 July 1913 on board Olympic
   
191921 December, arr 27 December 1919-Louise M. OSBALDESTON VESLY 23 Female married Dancer  Mrs F.W. Lucas*, 170 W 66th St New York N.Y SS Caracas from San Juan, Puerto Rico
1920Alice living in NY with dau Ethel (who marries crazy Donald Duncan Stewart) .Normandy 29 with James H Siver editor 30, Kenneth 10 in Manhattan: 6 Mar: Ethel M. OSBALDESTON/Donald D. STEUART, Manhattan
1921   
192222 jun Mrs. Ethel Turner Osbaldeston Stewart,(eto's dau) charged with conspiracy to effect a bigamous marriage between Stewart and Norma Ehrenseller  (wife no 4)and implicated in the theft of $2500.
1923   
1924   
1925   
1926ETO arrested for 45 year old theft: 30 Oct: Jessie OSBALDESTON/Wilfred ENDSOR, Queens B27
1927   
1928   
1929his letter to the undertaker,shoots himself twice, found by patrolman in his one-roomed shack made out of box wood
1930OSBALDESTON:Francis head 40, married , age at marriage 25, b NY, occ President, dried fruits,Olive wife 32, age at marriage 22, b Wisconsin, John E Turner/ Twiner bro-in-law, 46, wd, b NY, father Manager ?? Fruits
195607 Apr Mrs Geneva Agnes Miller, retired manager of a Womrath Book Store, New York City, died at her residence, 4725 15th Ave. S., Surviving are two brothers, John E. Turner and Frank T. Osbaldeston, St. Petersburg; and two sisters, Mrs Ethel T. Groves, St. Petersburg, and Mrs Norma A. Siver, New Milford

is that right?

[deb usa]

FAB!!!! Thanks for updating it ...Have read through quickly ...will reread.

deb

[deb usa]

from timeline

1910 [DR Edwin Turner leaves Southampton , arr NY on 13 June 1910: US Census .. ETO, Alice, Alberta and Francis living in Manhattan .. census taken 29 April 1910, so maybe the above Dr. Edwin Turner is not "ours"

this one def. is our ETO

  Dr. Edwin T Osbaldeston
bc 1831
Departure:  Southampton, England
Arrival:  23 Jun 1910 - New York, New York

now I can't find the PL for 13 June 1910 

added ......ahhh now I see it set sail on 13 June 1910 ships name : Blucher

[deb usa]

More for Timeline

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918

Francis S T Osbaldeston age 27
DOB ; July 18th, 1889 Ny
occ; Office Manager , Esstukay? Products
hard to read but looks like address ; Grand & Orleans ave
 ditto ; wife
Residence:  Chicago, Cook, Illinois

signed ; June 6th, 1917



1920 census Francis and Olive living in Cook co., IL (Frank = Corespondemt, Olive = Stenographer) living on Indiana Ave ...which was JTO's address in other censuses.

deaths;

Francis Turner Osbaldeston, died  Jun 1968
- Pinellas, Florida

 Olive Teel Osbaldeston, died  Jan 1958
- Pinellas, Florida

doesn't seem that this couple had children.

deb

PS I remember seeing a newspaper article about Frank and Olive leaving Florida for a vacation with family in NY ...can't remember the date though.

[Dinosaur]

Good to see you're still pursuing the exploits of my great-grandfather. I'll add a couple of clarifications:

1900 census:  ETO was enumerated twice. On June 1 he was in Pittsburgh where he'd been living since 1899 with his German mistress Louise Weiss and their daughter Mascot Louise who was born in August 1896. He falsified their first names on the census return. Then on June 6 he was in Manhattan with his wife and their 6 children.

ETO was in Germany in 1902-03, not 1901. According to the following source (Letter from ETO in State Prison, Saarbrücken, to US Embassy, Berlin, 24 Sept 1902. US Dept of State, US Embassy, Germany. RG84, UD Entry 24, Vol. 261, folios 511-516) he and his son Edwin Julian T O, sailed from NY to Antwerp on the Red Star Line's ship S.S. Southwark on April 9, 1902. On his way to Germany he stopped in Luxemburg and had business cards printed in English, German and French with his photo on the back.

ETO went to Germany to try to gain custody of his daughter Mascot. Mascot and her mother Louise Weiss had left NY in Sept 1901 ostensibly to visit Louise's mother. By letter Louise had told him that she wasn't going to return to him. ETO was infuriated as well as being insanely jealous.

It was in the village of Oberstein (now Idar-Oberstein) northeast of Saarbruecken on May 5, 1902 that ETO killed Louise's employer, carbine manufacturer and widower Eduard Wild and wounded one of his workmen who subsequently died of his wounds.

The archivist at the Idar-Oberstein Archives very kindly sent me four articles about the case that appeared in the local newspaper. ETO was captured and take to the state prison at Saarbruecken where he spent the next 13 months (except for 6 weeks when he was taken to a state hospital in Bonn for psychiatric evaluation). In the end his case was dismissed on grounds of insanity. There are several letters regarding his case in the State Dept records at the National Archives in College Park, Maryland.

ETO's attempt to gain custody of his youngest child was strikingly similar to his having taken custody of his oldest daughter, Annie Mabel, in 1875 (possibly after having killed her mother, his first wife Ann Pratt). ETO took Annie Mabel from Adelaide to Sydney and then from Sydney to San Francisco. He was ship's physician on the SS MacGregor which arrived in SF on Oct 27, 1875. After a stay of 6 weeks they then embarked on the SS Mikado on Dec 10, 1875 and arrived in New Zealand on Jan 3, 1876. They were there until mid-Oct 1876.

As far as I'm aware the 6-week stay in San Francisco was ETO's first trip to the US. I think we can safely ignore his claim that he first went to the US in 1854. I know that Alice Agnes Moore says that she arrived in the US in 1879. However one of you has found that they arrived in New York on the SS Erin on Feb 26, 1880.

ETO was the first member of his family to arrive in the US. I believe that he then paid for some of his siblings to travel from England to New York between 1883 and 1885. His brother Charles had emigrated to Queensland in 1862 under the name Charles Turner. I found the name of the ship on the Internet but don't have the info with me here in the UK.

The Charles W. Turner who was arrested in Rochester doesn't have anything to do with ETO. ETO committed so many crimes that he occasionally was blamed for ones he didn't commit!

For those interested in ETO's timeline, please see my previous posts about ETO's service in the Royal Artillery (from Jan 1859 to mid-July 1862). Also ETO was in Yatala Labour Prison outside Adelaide, South Australia from Dec 1867 until Jan 1873.

Hope this helps. 
Dinosaur

[Dinosaur]

I forgot to mention the Ludbrooks. Alice Agnes Moore's maternal grandfather was miller Daniel Ludbrook who lived for many years in Framlingham, Suffolk.

He got into a spot of trouble and was in the Sufolk County Gaol in Ipswich at the time of the 1841 census.

In 1841 ETO was in Cheltenham