The life of a con man part 2

[Trees]

Did we ever find him on the 1920 census?
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[Trees]

As ETO was born in Cheltenham I am wondering if he ever worked in one of the Spa baths.
It would make sense as he is describing himself as a hydrotherapist in New Zealand and the treatments mentioned in the letter like advert that appeared in "Daily Southern Cross, Volume XXXII, Issue 5763, 17 March 1876," and other dates sound like the ones undertaken at Droitwich Spa described by George James DEW in his Diary of a Relieving Officer in the 1860's
I imagine the treatments at a mineral water spa and at a Turkish baths would be very similar.
A second thought is that Spa treatments were and still are popular in germany so was Louise Weiss already familiar with such treatments before she met up with ETO.
What do others think or am I on the wrong line of thought?
Trees

[deb usa]

Hi Trees

from timeline;

1920 Alice living in NY with dau Ethel (who marries crazy Donald Duncan Sewart)

ummm so where was he in 1920 ...we know JTO died in 181921.... maybe he was going to his bro's funeral 

will look for him

deb

[Trees]

did we find this earlier?
RG9 892 fo 11 p 18
I think this is Jos. and Mary Ann Lewis turner'd daughter Maria but look at the other visitor is it Ann huband as transcribed or HUBARD
remember Mary Ann Turner married a HUBBARD after she broke up with Jos.
I wonder if there was a connection
Trees

[Dinosaur]

Hello Trees and fellow Chatters. I'm back from Germany.

In answer to your recent posts, I think that ETO's first experience of Turkish baths and spas was at Burton's on Euston Road in London in 1862-64. He was just six when the family moved from Cheltenham to Birmingham. In the 1851 census his occupation is recorded as "Errand boy." On his 1859 Royal Artillery enlistment papers his occupation was listed as "Shoemaker."

The Maria Osbaldeston you found in the 1861 census is the daughter of Josiah Scudder Osbaldeston and Mary Ann Lewis Turner. However the visitor (Ann Huband) is too young to be Mary Ann Turner who was born in 1815. Also MAT didn't become Mary Ann Hubbard until Aug 1862.

Despite having searched under variant spellings, I have yet to find a death certificate or burial entry for Josiah Scudder Osbaldeston. Any suggestions?

Dinosaur

[Trees]

I wondered if the Hubard visitor was a relation of James Hubbard we meet later
Do you know where ETO was in 1920 we have found Alice with Ethel had they split up?
Do you know what happened to Annie Mabel when ETO was in Addington jail?
So Josiah should have been in B'ham try putting a post on the Warwickshire board asking if anyone can suggest where to look  What was the last address you have or himand when?
Trees

[mc8]

Alexandra seems to have married a Herbert Potter BEARCE, and in 1937 they announced the birth of a son in the New York Times.

just spent an entire morning reading through this thread

Looks like Alexandra is perhaps still alive (at least, she was in 2007 age 93)

[mc8]

can't remember if this article has been mentioned-from http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html
  Utica NY Sunday Journal 1896-1897 - 0395.pdf

"dr"Osbaldeston or Prof Turner will be remembered in this city in connection with Mrs Far, who is supposed to have eloped from Malone with him. It is said the two passed a week together in Utica under assumed names. Two years ago (86), "dr" Osbaldeston located in Watkins Sobulyer? county and assumed to be a physician from Jamestown. He managed to separate a wife from her husband and was obliged to leave"

or this New York NY Evening Telegram 1922 22 Jun Grayscale - 1107.pdf
 Mrs. Ethel Turner Osbaldeston Stewart, charged with conspiracy to effect a bigamous marriage between Stewart and Norma Ehrenseller  (wife no 4)and implicated in the theft of $2500. It rather sounds as though she was as good as her father-was she convicted?

[deb usa]

Hi all

Dinosaur ... welcome back  When and where is the last sighting of JSO (b 1793) ??

Hi Mc8 Thanks for the info ...and yes I believe that Ethel was arrested ... will try to find the article.
I am very interested in Mrs Far as ETO was supposed to have had FOUR wives ... we have:
 
Annie Pratt # 1

Alice Agnes Moore # 3 ..I have just read an article here he states that when he left Germany (after the duel) he returned home to his wife and children  article Auburn NY Citizen 1826. It also states that his 3rd marriage was in 1880
In the same article it states that the "step brother' of ETO went by the name Charles W Turner.
In 1851 when they are the James family , there was a brother Charles ...ETO' mother Mary Ann Turner was at that stage living openly with Josiah Turner james/Osbaldeston .... maybe ETO did not know at that stage that Josiah was his dad too as he had thought that Charles Pye Turner was his dad!
So did ETO's brother scam him?
Hope this makes sense ... or am I confused 

Louisa Weiss/ Lucas #4


so who is # 2 wife It doesn't make sense as Annie Agnes Moore has Annie Mabel with her in 1881 UK census.

deb



added ... just read the article ... is Mrs Far the same person as Louise Weiss/lucas?