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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #207 on: Sunday 10 May 09 17:38 BST (UK) »
OOh deb re your reply 202
In this ranting letter in the malone Palladium for Jan 21 1897 he states "...none of my brother's ever married such a person as Mrs Collins, the name only exists in the diseases imagination of his cowardly opponent..."

oh I do hope I can find the letter he is replying to it must be a beauty in this one he mentions most of his siblings and their noble spouses
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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #208 on: Sunday 10 May 09 17:44 BST (UK) »
I have been searching for Margaret Close/Collins/Turner Osbaldeston ;D

cannot find her anyhere ...I am looking for a "Close" death which may be her son....that as left out in the cold. If this is try then JTO and ETO seem to be rather  violent guys.

Margaret Close's  dad was Denis Callins/Collins , why would Margaret be refered to as "Mrs COLLINS"  and not Mrs CLOSE  :-\

ps ...found the letter ! The opponent was Thomas Denny, retired masseur
http://news.nnyln.net/malone-palladium/search.html

added ... Trees ...Type in with quotation marks "the Osbaldeston case"
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #209 on: Sunday 10 May 09 18:18 BST (UK) »
Has anyone here Got any Screenwriter skills?

Ive been following this mini series for a while now and it would make an excellent "made for TV Movie" :)
LANCASHIRE = Wood,Howard,,Smethurst,Foxall,Cheetham,Brookes,Grime, Horrocks,Thornley,Arstall,Shawcross,Rowland,Mclean LINCOLNSHIRE = Featherstone Johnson,Toyne,Willson,

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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #210 on: Sunday 10 May 09 18:26 BST (UK) »
Woody  ;D ;D ;D

No screenwriters skills here !

I wonder if JTO crossed over the Canadian border, illegally, to ETO's Lake Titus, Mascot Camp. I cannot find an entry for him into the USA.

ETO's Daughter by Louise Weiss, Mascott Louise Osbaldeston was born there in 1896 ....I think


Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #211 on: Sunday 10 May 09 18:41 BST (UK) »
Another article says that Prof and Mrs Osbaldeston plus kids were at Lake Titus for the summer ....Oct 31, 1895.... Mrs O and kids were going back to NY but Prof O was staying to 'see to business' ....

this is around the time that Louise Weiss was arrested in Canada ... was ETO waiting for her to get to Lake Titus so she could have baby Mascot in 1896 ?

deb

I really need to update timeline ...but it's Mother's day here so I am off for a late lunch/early dinner  ;D
Travellers = Penfold, Orchard, James
Devon = Middleton,  Waterfield, Adams, Clark/e, Gould
Cornwall = Palmer, Carnarton, Slack/Smith. Morris/h
Wales, New Quay = James, Evans


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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #212 on: Sunday 10 May 09 19:02 BST (UK) »
Items new to me:

Joseph Osbaldeston, son of Josiah and Mary Anne.
Thanks, Susan, for posting the full details of his baptism. Neither Joseph, b. 1835, nor his brother, Henry William, b. 1828, appear in the 1841 census but I haven’t found their burials. Sister Bridget is on that census but not on the 1851. However, she may have married, possibly in Birmingham, before 1851.

The 1st quarter 1853 birth of Ann Maria Turner. Because both she and Julian Alexander Turner were baptised on the same day (21 Jan 1855), I’d assumed they were twins. I’d ordered Julian’s birth certificate (he was born on 12 Dec 1854) and wondered why I didn’t see one for Ann Maria. Duh, now I know.

The 1862 marriage of Mary Ann Turner and James Hubbard.
It hadn’t occurred to me that the James and Mary Ann Hubbard who were witnesses to the marriage of Edwin Turner Osbaldeston and Ann Pratt could be related to the groom. This is a prime example of why it pays to have fresh eyes and brain cells look at things.

The 16 May 1880 marriage of ETO and Alice Agnes Moore.
Because we have their marriage certificate among our family history material I hadn’t bothered to look for their marriage on the Italian genweb site. However our certificate is dated 16 March. ETO mentioned that they were married by well-known preacher Henry Ward Beecher. The certificate bears Beecher’s signature. But was Beecher really in Brooklyn on 16 March? A search of the New York Times index puts him in Ohio on that date. I’ll order the certificate and compare it with the one we have. It’s not impossible that ETO altered it to make it closer to the date of conception.

The newspaper article “And So They Were Married,” The Sun (New York), Tuesday, 14 Feb 1888
I’ve searched http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ in the past but hadn’t come across this gem.

The newspaper article “Now They Know All About Massage,” New York Daily Tribune, Sunday, 22 April 1894, p. 3
This article was on www.fultonhistory.com, the site that’s provided the greatest number of ETO-related articles. I hadn’t visited the site for a while so it was great to learn that Tom Tryniski has expanded his coverage to a whopping 9 million plus pages.

http://thestar.pagesofthepast.ca
On a research visit to the New York Public Library I printed (from microfilm) the article “That Charge Against a Masseur,” Montreal Daily Star, Monday, 23 November 1896, p. 8. It might be worth visiting this site to see if there are any more articles. BTW, ETO and Louise Weiss were arrested in Montreal 3 months after the birth of their daughter Mascot.

Again, I thank your fresh eyes and brain cells for finding the above.

P.S. Despite what the 1851 census says, ETO was born in Cheltenham (on 11 July 1838). He was baptised (as Edwin Turner) at St Mary's Cheltenham on 30 Dec 1838.
OSBALDESTON (Oxfordshire, Gloucestershire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire)
TURNER (Kent, London)
HARRISON (Kent)
PYE (Kent)
SCUDDER (Worcestershire)
MOORE (Norfolk, Suffolk)
LUDBROOK (Suffolk)
WALLER (Norfolk)
MUTIMER (Suffolk)
LAUTENBERGER (Hesse-Darmstadt)
SIVERS (Albany, New York)

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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #213 on: Sunday 10 May 09 19:17 BST (UK) »
I know a young film maker who would love to make the film or TV serial  ;D If only he could afford the equipment  :'(
these "new" newspapers are great but we must go and eat
See you later
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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #214 on: Sunday 10 May 09 19:40 BST (UK) »
Particularly when a top grade camera costs £15,000. Not including the lens!
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Re: The life of a con man part 2
« Reply #215 on: Sunday 10 May 09 20:09 BST (UK) »
deb -- I forgot one

Empire State Notables. We have a number of photos of ETO but not have the one in this book.

thanks, Dinosaur
OSBALDESTON (Oxfordshire, Gloucestershire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire)
TURNER (Kent, London)
HARRISON (Kent)
PYE (Kent)
SCUDDER (Worcestershire)
MOORE (Norfolk, Suffolk)
LUDBROOK (Suffolk)
WALLER (Norfolk)
MUTIMER (Suffolk)
LAUTENBERGER (Hesse-Darmstadt)
SIVERS (Albany, New York)