The life of a con man part 2

[jaywit]

Toni we have them in Worcestershire c1790 ( tree on A*******) No connection with Squire George, one of the countless porkies told by ETO.
You can't believe anything he said unless you can find confirmation from a reliable scource.

[Trees]

As yet we have no connection to the northern Osbaldestons toni* but there are so many weird and wonderful stories its hard to sort out who was who the chatters here are doing a splendid job.
Deb in that report he was supposedly shot in the head in two raids. What did he mean "investigating a dive in NY city" is he now pretending to be a police man/detective   I cant find any newspapers mentioning a man shot in the head in 1892 in NYcity Would you expect a report of it? especially if it resulted in a silver plate. I think that must be true as he rants on later as how the "impostor half brother" got a horse to kick him in the head so he too could have a siver plate.
H

[jaywit]

Trees, the Canadian escapede, I found this online
http://thestar.pagesofthepast.ca/Default.asp

If you enter Osbaldeston nothing comes up, but if you enter Edwin Turner you do get results from 1894 to 1898.Problem is you have to pay to see the results.

[deb usa]

Hi

just noticed this from when he was arrested;

ASBURY PARIS, March 28. 1926 -- Dr. Edwin Pye Turner Rowe Osbaldeston

where does the name "ROWE" come from?

deb

PS ...can't find JTO in 1920 

[jaywit]

Deb I dread to think where he got that one from.

JTO didn't die until 1921 so he should be around somewhere, it's just the usual where and what name was he using.

[jaywit]

Deb I was looking on A****** at the passenger lists we can't see and there appear to be quite a few entries for Francis/Frank Osbaldeston. Were they all ETO's brother Francis who settled in Chicago?

I also noticed this one.

 New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Immigration & Emigration
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Name:  Alex Osbaldeston
Birth:  year
Departure:  location
Arrival:  date - New York, New York

What made that stand out were 2 things, only entry I could see for that christian name and it was Julian's second christian name ( Alexander)
 

[Greensleeves]

I have been following up Alice Agnes Moore, and how a nice young lady (presumably), brought up in the relative isolation of rural Suffolk, could have come into contact with ETO.  Whilst I have not established any definite links, I have found something interesting which might form a link between a quiet country life and the upper echelons of society.

In 1871 Alice Agnes Moore was in service to the Seacocks family in Yoxford.  The daughter of the family, Eleanor S Seacocks (in the 1871 census) can be found in the 1881 census as Eleanor S Jeacocks and is governess to the children of none other than Lord Arthur Wrottesley, Baron, Lord Lieutenant of Staffordshire; seems just the sort of person ETO might want to associate with.

Greensleeves

[Trees]

Thanks greensleeves I have been thinking along that line too It must have been for her contacts i would think . I wonder why and on earth he met poor Ann Pratt there is no obvious reason for their meeting either. It looks like they went to Australia to follow some of his relations and the diary apparently;y says they went to visit Ann's family before they went to Australia I wonder did he think the PRATT's had a nest egg stashed away but her dad was a railway porter with 11 children
H

[Dinosaur]

Dear Chatters,

Congratulations on the fabulous job that you've been doing with the research on my great-grandfather, Edwin Turner Osbaldeston. Even though I've been researching his life since 1996 you've come up with a few items that I hadn't found. It's been great following your posts. Thank you all for your time and efforts. As you can see, I've now registered with RootsChat and will be able to provide answers to many of your questions regarding ETO and various family members. However I need to ask for your patience. I'm still in the UK doing family history research and will not have a lot of time to log on until the end of May-beginning of June.

Before I log off, I thought you might like to know that not only does the parish register entry for the  marriage of my great-great-grandmother Mary Ann TURNER and James HUBBARD -- which I hadn't seen before -- reveal the identity of the witnesses to ETO's marriage to Ann PRATT, but it also answers a question I've had ever since I visited the Bristol Record Office in 2001.
 
On the paperwork that was filled out when ETO's mother Mary Ann TURNER was committed to the Bristol Lunatic Asylum, Fishponds, Stapleton, Glos. on 26 July 1876 her occupation was listed as "wife of a chairmaker" and her husband's name was recorded as James Turner. I had long wondered if this was misinformation supplied by Josiah Scudder OSBALDESTON. Judging by the description of her symptoms and her medical notes it sounds as though she was suffering from senile dementia. She died in the asylum on 23 June 1878.
 
So it appears that Mary Ann TURNER had had enough of JSO and decided to marry neighbour James HUBBARD. WOW!!! By the way, I found JSO in the 1861 census living in a boarding house in Wolverhampton. His name was recorded as Joseph rather than Josiah and his age is incorrect. However his occupation and place of birth are correct so I'm convinced that it is JSO.

If one of you has a chance, would you mind looking for James and Mary Ann HUBBARD in the 1871 census in Bristol --possibly on Prince's St in Bedminster. In an article entitled “Had a Life of Adventure,” Detroit Free Press, Sunday, 9 January 1898, her youngest son Julian mentioned that he/they moved to Bristol in 1866.

Must go now but will be back in touch soon.