The life of a con man part 2

[deb usa]

re Kate Osbaldeston , niece of ETO

IGI has her marriage;
Kate = Peter J. Peel
1 AUG 1897   Chicago, Cook Co. , IL


Shes with him in Chicago in 1900, he's Irish. They are living at Indiana Ave ...same as Julian (b/o ETO) and Francis (s/o ETO) were although they are not on the same page

Kate imm 1887.

Still together in 1920 ... can't see her in 1890 yet.

deb

wish I could find Alice Agnes' death ...

added ...can't see Kate's birth reg

[Keziahemm]

Think this is Josiah's tree 

William Osbaldeston = Ann Scudder 11th July 1750 Bredon, Worcestershire by licence
     Ann Scudder baptised 9th June 1726 Chaceley, Glos. was the daughter of Josiah Scudder and Margaret
     (from online transcribed parish records)
     children:
     Margaret baptised 7th June 1751 Tewkesbury
     William baptised 24th February 1764 Tewkesbury

     William Osbaldeston = Mary

     children:
     William Scudder Osbaldeston 7th April 1795 Great Malvern (IGI extracted)
     Josiah Scudder Osbaldeston 18th May 1797 (ancestry public tree)

Susan 

[deb usa]

I wonder if this is josiah Scudder Osbaldeston's brother, William

from NA

Information relating to document ref. no. MS 11936/539/1163626Insured: William Scudder Osbaldeston 105 Edgeware Road gent Other property or occupiers: Chapman cheesemonger. date 1833

Information relating to document ref. no. MS 11936/544/1178142Insured: William Scudder Osbaldeston, 7 Park Place, Paddington, gent. [Guildhall Library, Records of Sun Fire...] Date: 1834.

[Keziahemm]

Very good possibility, can't be two of them, or could there   

Susan 

[jaywit]

That James Hubbard in 1861 looks like the right one, he said he was a batchelor on his marriage and I don't think Ann was Mary Ann, age is too far out, place of birth, and if it was  where was Julian and if she was still alive Ann Maria born 1853?
The other thing is what had happened to Josiah Osbaldeston/Josiah James/Charles Turner last seen at Julian's baptism?

James Hubbard made his mark on the marriage cert, so it looks like a bit of a come down for Mary Ann.

[deb usa]

Jay ..... I must be going mad ...who is Ann Maria b 1853?

Can't find Josiah or MA hubbard .............

[jaywit]

 Deb Ann Maria was baptised at the same time as Julian Alexander Turner ( Julian Turner Osbaldeston) the son of Charles Turner stationer ( or Josiah Osbaldeston or Josiah James)and Mary Ann Turner, There is a birth reg for her in 1853 under Turner but we have no further sightings of her at all.

[deb usa]

thanks, Jay

How can Julian and Ann Maria just disappear...I can't see any passenger lists for them ...If Mary Ann marries Hubbard in 1862, you would think her kids would be around in 1861.

I onder if ETO and JTO ever met up. ETO seems to also go bnack to his home base in NY, whereas JTO is in Canada and then Chicago .... oo just remembered that they did ...1890= NY City directory = JTO massage, ETO Masseur.

What a family   .... I wonder if Annie Pratt got married again ... maybe not as she would never have let Annie Mabel go with ETO.

going round in circles again ... deb

[jaywit]

 Deb The only other thing I can think of Deb is that James and Mary Ann Hubbard went to Australia, but then Julian makes no mention of Australia although if I remember he does mention South Africa, but South Africa at that time isn't easy to research I think
I have searched the 1861 census page by page or the address James and Mary Ann gave in 1862 but Mary Ann isn't there. She must have been somewhere with the children in 1861, but she didn't want to show her face.
 What happened to Josiah? There is a death of a Josiah James in Birmingham in 1855 but without sending for the certificate there is no way of telling if it was him and it was before Julian was born