The life of a con man part 2

[jaywit]

Deb you could travel the world without a passport at that time, only the wealthy and well travelled had them.

Was there a birth registration for Edwina?  Edwina would have been concieved in May 1881 if she was born at the end of January 1882. If we are sure there was a girl, whatever she called herself, born January 1882 then ETO or someone was around in May 1881.

[avm228]

There was a birth registration for Edwina - the IGI entry for 30 Jan 1882 does seem to be extracted from 1882 Manhattan birth registrations (I've checked the batch number).

I've been mulling over a theory that this birth registration was a fraudulent one for the benefit of Augusta (in order to get a birth certificate for her) and that Augusta/Edwina/Ethel are all the same person, but perhaps that's a sign I've been on this thread too long!

Anna

[deb usa]

Hi Jay

thanks for that info on passports ...didn't know that

Edwina's birth is IGI extracted. I had wonder if it was her christening but it says birth; Edwina Agnes O.

Edwina Agnes Turner Osbaldeston d/o ETO and Alice Agnes Moore
30 JAN 1882 Manhattan

I wonder why the other kids aren't on IGI?

deb

[jaywit]

If we could only find when Alice went back to NY that I think would be a big help towards working out if Augusta and Edwina were seperate people.

[avm228]

I wonder why the other kids aren't on IGI?

Because not all of the records have been transcribed - see this page (scroll down):

http://www.genealogygeneral.bravehost.com/USA/NY/NYVITAL2.HTML

Anna

[deb usa]

It's so strange that I can't find Alice's incoming passenger list in 1879 ...she had no reason to lie about her name and age etc as she had not met ETO yet and so didn't know what was in store for her UNLESS ...she went to Australia and met him there!

deb ...quickly running out of ideas.

[jaywit]

Well Augusta was born October 1880  and ETO and Alice had married May 1880, so Augusta would have been conceived around January 1880. So they were a couple then. Odd if Alice went to NY in 1879 and immediately got together with ETO. I can see a country girl would easily fall for his tales of derring do, but ETO wouldn't have married her without another reason than her pregnancy. Unless he just wanted someone to look after Annie Mabel. Maybe that was it Annie Mabel would be in her teens, an age she would want a mother figure.

[Keziahemm]

From Insolvent Debtors papers held at Gloucestershire Archives

15th/16th November 1841

Josiah Scudder Osbaldeston late of Scotland Cottage Glouc^r Road Cheltenham Travelling Bookseller an Insolv^t D^r  bro^t up to take the benefit of the Act.  Adjudged entitled to the benefit of the Act an ord^d to be Discharged forthwith.

Looking at other entries after the words  "brought up"  had name of gaol they were brought up from!

There is no record of him in Gloucester Gaol in 1841 reference the list of prisoners on remand awaiting sentence,  I looked thrugh the film in case he had been missed.   According to the London Gazette of 7th July 1841 Josiah was in Gloucester Gaol.

Couldn't find any baptisms of Turner/Osbaldestons in St. Marys Cheltenham.

Susan 

[jaywit]

Susan   Reading between the lines he was discharged from bankruptcy, so he had paid his debts? Maybe he had previously said that given the opportunity he could pay the debts and he had done. I need to check details of what procedures there were at that time