The life of a con man part 2

[jaywit]

Deb I think this is the May Louise Lucas on 1911, this is her marriage to Reginald Lucas.
 

 May Louise Elliott 1901    West Ham  Essex, Greater London   

 Reginald Lucas 1901    West Ham  Essex, Greater London 

So I think it is just a coincidence

[jaywit]

So Mascot Louise was born 9/8/1896 at Lake Titus, it's very close to the Canadian boarder and my guess is they had just left Canada and were making their way back to NY.

Another thought Frank Lucas may have Anglicized his name but if he was obviously German he wouldn't have been welcome on the UK in 1915, so he may have made a quick exit back to NY.

[jaywit]

Deb A bit more for your time line. It was December 1880 when ETO stole the horse and wagon in Broome County NY.

[deb usa]

Done! 

Do you think I should add all the other info ie; The Vesely/Lucas etc info? Or will that make it TMI? 

[jaywit]

Deb maybe see what Trees wants.
I still can't get my head round the period after Dec 1880.
April 3rd. 1881 Alice,Augusta and Annie Mabel are in Suffolk. January 30th 1882  Edwina is born in NY.
 So Alice must have left Suffolk very soon after census night ( and I think she would have arrived in England Dec/Jan after ETO's little escapade).
 So did she know ETO would be waiting for her in NY. Did he know she was coming back?
Something around that period just doesn't add up, unless ETO was with Alice and keeping out of sight and they went back to NY together.
Problem is that if ETO was wanted  by the police they could have used any name.

[Trees]

I am wondering when he was in the mental asylum in Canada (cant find the newspaper report eith that on yet0
i am still puzzled as to Annie mabel we know she was with Alice in 1881 but where was she when he was in jail in NZ someone must have looked after her she was 10 but must have looked younger remember the sighting of ETO with a 6 year old child in melbourne was that Annie mabel or another child
There are still many grey areas for my Ann and her daughter
time line
1867 sentenced for 7 yrs hard labour freedom 13 jan 1873(Krisesjoint found this this morning)
1876 jan 1 ETO and Annie Mabel on passenger list arriving Aukland
1876 oct Melbourne  with 6 yr old girl was this Annie Mabel she should be 10?
Yes  please Debcan you add the new data on the Vesely/lucas it gives a nice quick reference makes it easier to follow Many thanks
H

[avm228]

Please could someone remind me - do we see Augusta again after the 1881 Suffolk census?

Anna

[jaywit]

Trees I wouldn't be too worried by the age gap in that newspaper report. Journalism then was more of an art than a science. Say the reporter forgot to make a note of her age. There was no way of checking his story, no telephones etc. so what would he do, he would guess how old she was.

I think the time for something happening to Annie is  Aug 1873 to Dec 1875 and I would say nearer the latter date. He could have been making a quick escape if he had done something to Annie, or she could have become fed up with his carrying on and left him.

avm Yes she becomes Ethel ( I think)

[deb usa]

Hi

We know that ETO = AA Moore May 1880, NY
Alice states she immigrated 1879
1880 ETO arrested in NY
1881 Alice in UK with Auguata (6months) and Annie Mabel

Alice had to have had a passport (UK one) as she as not naturalized until errr 1903 (can't remember).
I wonder if her passport had been changed into the name Turner yet? I know I have searched under both names.

Alice could have already been pregnant with Edwina when setting off.

We never see Augusta again. .... Edwina born 1882 hich is the year of birth that Ethel always gives ... Is ethel actually Edwina?

deb