The life of a con man part 2

[deb usa]

Hi

I had seen her on a passenger list and thought it a strange name ...

Mascot Osbaldiston
ship ; Adriatic
age;18
DOB Aug 9, 1896
POB Camp Mascot

Depart, Liverpool Oct 14, 1914
arrive NY  Oct 22, 1914
address; ParloraCo ...can't make it out!

will look for more

guess whos on the same ship/same dates etc

Louis Vesely 29, SINGLE, DANCER, b Russia, nationality Bohemiam, b abt 1885, last permanent address, London;


they must have met on the ship , maybe 

[jaywit]

On a slightly different point, I think I have identified a child of Louise Osbaldeston VESLY, namely an Alexandra DE VESELY.  Alexandra seems to have married a Herbert Potter BEARCE, and in 1937 they announced the birth of a son in the New York Times.  The child is described in the birth announcement as a "great-grandson of the late Lord Edwin Osbaldeston, surgeon to Queen Victoria". .  (It also describes Alexandra as "the former Miss Alexandra de Vesely of Vienna" - not clear whether this is Vienna, N.Y. or the Austrian Vienna).

Googling the child's name (I won't post it in case he is still living) suggests that he was one of three children born to the couple, and that he became a US congressman...

ETA The New York Times for 6 Feb 1935 carries a piece about a secret wedding between Herbert Potter BEARCE and Alexandra DE VESELY*, in which (from the fragment I can see) she appears to be described as "the daughter of the late Count de Vesely of Czechoslovakia, who was killed while leading his regiment on the Italian front during the World War" .

*

So Alexandra's father died in WW1? How come he was in Manhatten in 1920?





The only Italian front I can think of anywhere near Manhatten would be the Mafia, hope Louis didn't tangle with them

[deb usa]

from the timeline;

1895 ETO and Louise Weiss arrested Montreal, Canada
1896 Mascot Louise Osbaldeston born  d/o ETO and Louise

Louise was kept in jail ... so there has to be a border crossing somewhere


OH MY .......

1920
New York
Manhattan
65th street
Louie Vesely mar 30 b Bohemia dancer, imm =1910, permanent res.
Mascot wife 22 b NY, father= b England, Mother = b Germany , dancer
Mascot dau 4 b Penn

also at 65th street , actually they are NEXT DOOR
Frank W  Lucas 44, imm 1892, b Germany, father b Messonia?, Mum=Holland
LOUISE 45, imm 1891, b Germany, Father = Wisconsin, mother = Germany

we have found Mrs F W LUcas ...supposed wife of ETO!!!!!

deb

[deb usa]

Hi Jay 


So Louie/Louis Vesely, the dancer,  was a Count !!!!

he must have been one heck of a dancer 

[jaywit]

Deb One of the oldest cons in the book, the fake Eastern European nobility Count this Count that.......... by the time he died he was probably the former king of **********

[deb usa]

 


Okay another passenger list ... In 1920 Frank Lucas is a Cook/Cterer (sorry forgot to put that in)

anyway
Ship: St Paul
Frank William Lucas , 40, caterer, German
Arrived; 16 May 1915 NY
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875 
depart: Liverpool, England , may 8th 1915
Last perm res. =  USA, Philadelphia

Name and address of relative from whence you came:
WIFE,
5 Aberdeen House
Kenton St, Russell Square
London

so was Louise and daugher Mascot in UK in 1911?

deb

[deb usa]

1911 I have found a MAY Louise Lucas in Fulham....

Remember ETO called her Miss May!

[jaywit]

I checked the Aberdeen House address and they weren't there. I'll list the occupants, with this lot you never know.

MORGAN, PHOEBE ETHELS HEAD WIDOW  F 29 PRIVATE MEANS BALLGHACH IRELAND RESIDENT 
   
UMDUN, WILLIAM CYRIL UNCLE WIDOWER  M 54 COLONEL ARMY PAY DEPARTMENT CO DUBLIN IRELAND RESIDENT

[deb usa]

ahhh okay! Thanks for checking .....

If only we could find all these marriages etc...

need to update timeline ....

just thinking out loud ....

ETO and Louise arrested in Canada 1895, ETO escapes , Louise is jailed but is somehow, having Mascot in 1896 ... did Louise go back to ETO after she was released or is the baby someone elses?
Do I make sense? 


added ...although there is that other edwin Turner (physician) in Penn in 1900 with wife Alice and daughter Louise!