The life of a con man part 2

[krisesjoint]

Hi all,

SA Police Gazette information here. Lovely description of the man 

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,378807.0.html

Cheers Kris 

[Trees]

Thanks for trying so hard  Dee much appreciated I do hope he didn't kill Ann but most of the stories have a nod to truth so I wonder if he tried to go back to Ann when he got out of Jail in Oz and she had seen the lightand refused to have him back so did he kill her hide the body and carry off the child. Though I don't think Ann was squeaky clean, the Cockney Tom tale sort of implements her she must have known about 2 cart loads of loot!
krisesjoint has found a two entries from th e SA police Gazette and one from the Canterbury Police Gazette  posted this morning on Australia "Help in finding a death" The Caterbury one has a good description

red post  hi  kriss
Trees

[jaywit]

Morning all

Re Julian Turner Osbaldeston:

Directory of deceased American physicians

Julian T. Osbaldeston
DOB 25 Dec 1859, Birmingham
died; 21 Aug 1921, Chicago, IL
Type Practice: Allopath  
Practice Specialities: Chicago, IL, Aug 17, 1911  
Licenses: IL, 1902  
Practice Dates Places: Chicago, IL, Aug 17, 1911  
Medical School: Michigan College of Medicine and Surgery, Detroit, 1901, (G)  
Education: Birmingham, England, South Africa, United States, common school, Business College, Young Men's Christian Assn  

Cause Of Death: injuries, accident, automobile;

Cook County also has his death reg under Osbaldistone

Julian marries Margaret Close in Canada and then according to IGI an Anna Schwalb


Marriage;
Julian Turner Osbaldeston = Margaret Close on 13 Nov 1885, Carlton, Ontario
30yrs, b Birmingham
Age: 30  , bc 1855
occ; Physician
Father Name: Chas C P S T Osbaldiston
Mother Name: Mary Ann Turner Osbaldiston
Spouse Name: Margaret Close
 35, bc 1850,   Merricksville, Ont
dad=  Dennis Callins , mum = Margaret Watson

IGI extracted;
Julian osbaldeston = Anna K Schwalb
30 APR 1890, Cook co., Illinois


1910 US
Cook Co. , IL
Chicago City
Indiana Ave.
Julia (sic) T Osbaldeston head, 50, mar (1st marriage  ) married 21yrs, b England, parents English, Immigrated 1884, naturalized , occ; physician
Anna S wife, 64 ( ) , first marriage, g Germany, parents German, imm 1888, occ trained nurse

NY City Directory 1890 (see previous thread)
where the whole family is Massage people there is also
Osbaldeston Julian T. massage, 721 Sixth av.  so we had thought he was a son but could be ETO's brother.

still looking for him in Canada and his passenger list/Naturalization

deb

morning deetwin

It facinates me that 2 brothers born 17 years apart would both make out they were doctors. Julian on his Ontario marriage ( 1885 ) describes himself as a physician. I found the Ontario Medical Register online and I searched the available dates ie. 1878, 1888, 1892 and 1902 and no sign of him being registered under Osbaldeston or Turner. I wonder why?

[deeiluka]

That's great,,Kris.....
But why didn't that come up with the wild card search?    

Or don't the Police Gazettes accept a wild card?


I've just had a call from my sister. She got in touch with the person who has access to all the old Yatala Gaol and Adelaide Gaol records.......and absolutely nothing showed up for him in those records.  


Dee
 

[jaywit]

Back to Julian he claims to have graduated from Michigan College of Medicine in 1901. Their records aren't online but they are here.
http://www.reuther.wayne.edu/staff
( That's the contact us page)
Trees do you think sending  an E mail to them with a short expanation they would help us to see if Julian did actually qualify? mind you he would have been in his 40's by that time.


Dee we will unravel this, my thoughts are that if the report that he was taken away in a strait jacket are correct he was perhaps in an asylum rather than a prison, but he didn't want to admit it later on as once he said that no one would believe anything he said.

[krisesjoint]

I had no trouble with the police gazettes at the Library today Dee. Looks like we are both in town at the same time. I don't think there are any murder charges, at least not here. No record of Ann. It just does not fit. serving 30 years and then ticket of leave  in that time period - sounds all wrong to me. I see Trees is wondering if he may have killed his wife and gotten away with it. Guess anything is possible.

Also curious as to 6 year old child in his company. Did someone make a mistake here or was it not his daughter he was seen with. He was trying to borrow money in Melbourne, so I presume he knew these people. Perhaps this was not his daughter. The difference between a 6 year old and a 10 year old should be obvious and these records do not state sex. Do you have his travel out of Australia to see if he did in fact travel with his daughter and no wife?

I had wondered about NZ but it appears his crimes there were also theft related, not murder.

Doesn't Trees have the prison records? Yatala records are held at State Records, not too far from where I am at the mo. It appears it was for theft so not sure how helpful they will be, though there could be a photo.

Cheers Kris  

[deeiluka]

We were both at SAGHS together today Kris?   
Don't tell me.....      

There were some unidentified bodies came up when I searched just using the term "murder".

The chap my sister contacted today has access to the original Yatala and Adelaide Gaol records, and reported there was nothing. But it might be worth you checking it out if you can....... a second pair of eyes can sometimes pick up a variation.......


Dee

[Trees]

Kriss I have been taking another long look at the Destitute Asylum I am sorry   youare right not to dismiss this as my  Ann PRATT, I had dismissed her as the child with her was a Francis Anne BUT looking at her age  she was under 7 now if she was conceived in 1873-1876 when we know ET was out and about in Australia she could be Ann's child and as you pointed out Charles features prominently in the story --NS has added that ET was registered as son of Charles Pye Turner his grandfather and he claims him as such later - so is it my Ann ooh it looks very likely so he gives her a babe and absconds with the older child Francis was probably born after he had left How can we find a birth record for Francis Anne PRATT/Turner Osbaldeston born Australia  1873-1877 (he went back to Melbourne and was trying to borrow money1876)
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[Trees]

But if this all makes sense what has happened to Annie Mabel
Does the reference to Charles on the Destitute record mean he too was asking for help? if so why no mention of AM if he has taken her  Oh dear this is a huge mystery
No body a missing child a possible 2nd daughter
Trees blowing in the wind