The life of a con man part 2

[Trees]

Looking for the death of an ancestor we have followed a story of an amazing con man, thief, and murderer who was accused of child cruelty by his 10 year old son and with a daughter involved with a bigamist with four known wives
Please feel free to join the search for more about this incredible life and help me find the truth of what happened to Ann PRATT his first wife and sister to my 2X Gt grandfather
The story starts in the Uk goes to Australia and ends in the USA via New Zealand

Trees

Previous thread here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,378617.0.html

[jaywit]

Frederick Knowles father John was a jeweller born Scotland.
 On the 1880 US census is a family living in Manhatten ( where Fred and Annie married)
It's John Knowles age 42 Jeweller born Scotland. Emma Knowles 38 born PA and Frederick 19 a clerk in store ( his father's I wonder?) born NY

 Looks like the correct family, parent's christian names, age. So if Frederick's father was respectable and perhaps had money they would definitely want to keep away from ETO

[Trees]

OK so at the moment we still need
a death or marriage for Ann PRATT/TURNER or Osbaldeston in Australia after 1873 ...any of the names with any spelling for them could be used.
Records of court appearances for Edwin TURNER or OSBALDESTON [ETO}
Prison records for ETO  in Australia, Germany  and USA
Mental institution records for him in Canada before 1901
A death for Alice Agnes OSBALDESTON
Any sightings of the family between 1903 and 1926

I will prepare a "tree" with all the names  and we have a time line ready to link
many thanks for your interest
Trees

[Linda_J]

Hi trees and everyone

I have been reading the story with considerable interest.

I am not sure if it is relevant but I understood a “ticket of leave” was not a reprieve amounting to exile from the country but a kind of parole in which they were only given limited freedom to live and work in the area near the prison and could not leave the district without the permission of the government or the district's resident magistrate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticket_of_leave

Linda

[jaywit]

Have you seen what name Cockney Tom called him?

'a man calling himself Edward Baldiston, stated to be manager of the Turkish Baths in Melbourne, giving a long account of his experience at Constantinople, and other places in Turkey, and applying for the management of the Adelaide Turkish Baths.'  
  and.  'The baths in Melbourne were burnt down shortly after that, and Baldiston found his way to Adelaide, and presenting himself and wife at the baths,'  it's 1866 he is talking about.

Now have we searched anywhere using that variation of his name?

[Trees]

Well NS has sent this and its amazing how accurate you have all been
"My great-grandfather Edwin Turner Osbaldeston was born in Cheltenham on 11 July 1838. The name on his birth certificate is Edwin Turner. His parents were Josiah Scudder Osbaldeston and Mary Ann Turner who were stepfather and stepdaughter. Josiah Scudder Osbaldeston was married to Mary Ann's mother, Mary Ann Lewis Turner, the widow of Royal Navy lieutenant Charles Pye Turner. On the birth certificate and in the baptisms register of St Mary's in Cheltenham, Mary Ann Turner gave the name of Edwin's
father as Charles Pye Turner, her deceased father's name. Edwin was baptised on 30 December 1838. Josiah Scudder Osbaldeston was first a glover, then a bookbinder, then a bookseller, and lastly a travelling bookseller/stationer.
One of my great-aunt Ethel's names was Augusta. You can find her in the 1881 UK census visiting her grandfather tailor Josiah Moore in Yoxford in Suffolk. Her mother Alice Agnes Moore had taken baby Ethel and stepdaughter Annie Mabel back to England while ETO was languishing in jail in Binghamton, New York."
Unfortunately she wont be able to join us for a while
Trees

[jaywit]

 Trees  Hang on Josiah Osbaldeston was a stationer? That's the occupation of Charles Turner the father of Julian Alexander Turner born in Birmingham, and Julian's mother was Mary Ann ( it's all in the other thread)



How does Noel explain the birth of Edwina in 1882? If ETO was either in prison or on the run and Alice was in Suffolk just before Edwina was conceived?

[Trees]

Ah so Julian was Edwins brother NS said she called Edwin's father Gharles i suppose to give an air of respectability don't forget Joshiah was with both mother and daughter in the same house 
good memory Jaywit We had a discussian about Charles pye on the old thread didn't we i'll go back and take another look
H

[deb usa]

Hi

Found you! will be on the hunt shortly!

Hi LindaJ