The life of a con man part 2

[deb usa]

arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 

okay ... what about this?

In 1910 we have ETO and Alice Agnes living in NY, Manhattan, with their kids;
Alberta 18
Francis 21

BUT

also in 1910
Rochester, Munroe Co., NY
JOHN E TURNER head 25, mar for 3years b NY, parents= Scot/English  , occ; private family chauffeur.
Jean wife, 23 b NY, parents = Scot/English
Donald , son 2 b NY,
FRANK OSBALDESTON, 21 Boarder, b NY, dad= Scot/english, mum= English, occ; Bookkeeper, genl. office
   

 

[avm228]

Must be the same chap enumerated twice, mustn't it, Deb?

On a slightly different point, I think I have identified a child of Louise Osbaldeston VESLY, namely an Alexandra DE VESELY.  Alexandra seems to have married a Herbert Potter BEARCE, and in 1937 they announced the birth of a son in the New York Times.  The child is described in the birth announcement as a "great-grandson of the late Lord Edwin Osbaldeston, surgeon to Queen Victoria". .  (It also describes Alexandra as "the former Miss Alexandra de Vesely of Vienna" - not clear whether this is Vienna, N.Y. or the Austrian Vienna).

Googling the child's name (I won't post it in case he is still living) suggests that he was one of three children born to the couple, and that he became a US congressman...

ETA The New York Times for 6 Feb 1935 carries a piece about a secret wedding between Herbert Potter BEARCE and Alexandra DE VESELY*, in which (from the fragment I can see) she appears to be described as "the daughter of the late Count de Vesely of Czechoslovakia, who was killed while leading his regiment on the Italian front during the World War" .

*Alexandra's name in the marriage announcement might in fact be given as DE VESELY DURING, but I can't tell whether the DURING bit is really her name or a glitch with the extract I'm allowed to see. I tried to pay the $3.50 to see the article in full, but the NYT website will not allow "United Kingdom" as a valid "country" so has rejected my efforts to pay them money

[jaywit]

Deb


Can we believe anything ETO says?

Is there a marriage for John E to Jean?

and parent's nationalities? depends what stories ETO had told them

avm

[Trees]

  priceless
just came in to see how things are going what a beauty well done avm I'm trying to find the New Zealand papers NS says there are reports of ETO in 1876 there
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[jaywit]

I bet Alexandra and her mother are lurking somewhere in the USA in 1930, it will just be where and what names they are using.



Trees It's the Canterbury NZ police gazette ETO is mentioned in but it isn't online for 1876 it's in Christchurch library.

[deb usa]

Blimey ... LORD Edwin surgeon to the QUEEN!!!!!   you've gotta love this guy!

okay ..

Donald was born 31 Mar 1908 (as per death index).

I see him in 1930 with his mum, Jean (who says she is married) and his wife Ruth.

I cannot find his birth!

[jaywit]

Edwin in 1861, what I have found using the Christian name and place of birth is an Edwin BROOKS age 24 ( well 2 years out) in the Royal Navy serving on HMS Agamemnon which was on census night at Suda Bay Crete.
 Ref is RG9/4433/72/16.
 Next to Edwin's name as his occupation is ' 2 Cap Fore Top' I have put a thread on the armed forces board asking if anyone knows what that means.
At the moment I can't see him on any other census so I am thinking he is a possible for Edwin, he does at times mention the Royal Navy, saying he was in Malta, a possible stopping off point for the Eastern Mediterranean and Turkey, well Crete isn't that far away from Turkey

I've got an answer to my question from the Armed Forces board. It's 2nd captain fore top, same as petty officer so I know now where to look on the NA site, but I can't get on to it at the moment

[Keziahemm]

On a slightly different point, I think I have identified a child of Louise Osbaldeston VESLY, namely an Alexandra DE VESELY.  Alexandra seems to have married a Herbert Potter BEARCE, and in 1937 they announced the birth of a son in the New York Times.  The child is described in the birth announcement as a "great-grandson of the late Lord Edwin Osbaldeston, surgeon to Queen Victoria". . 

Royal Archives anyone     

Susan 

[jorose]

If you search for Edwin Turner there are some interesting things on
 http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/

Particularly in 1876 there was a reference an Edwin Turner, Hydropathic Practitioner, who seems to have been at Waiwera.  Then later that same year he turns up as Edwin Turner alias Osbaldiston, aka Dr. Turner, who had lectured in Christchurch. He had completed his term of imprisonment for an earlier offence but then been immediately re-arrested within a week for stealing a coat.  He then escaped from Addington Gaol in August 1876, was recaptured and charged in Sep 1876 (described as Dr Edwin Turner/Edwin J. Osbaldiston).

Searching on Waiwera, Turner, Hydropathic shows that he was at the Waiwera hot springs at least in January 1876.
There's also a February 1876 article from these same keywords that talks of a "Mr E. G. Turner", late surgeon in the Royal Mail Service (or so he says!) .  Just searching on "Turner" and "Hydropathic" pulls up a few things in 1876, including one in the Evening Post. TUESDAY, JUNE 6, 1876, which says he was "formerly of Bombay"

http://0-www.aucklandcity.govt.nz.www.elgar.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/passengers/passenger.html
 - shows a Dr. Edwin Turner arriving 1 Jan 1876, with his daughter, on the Mikato.  (This may be the "Mikado")