Fromelles Missing - UK lads in the AIF

[ritchiewilk]

This thread caught my eye because last night on the news there was a report on Fromelles missing soldiers.  It reported how archaeological work was going to begin.  They hope to identify the remains that they find by using DNA and any artifacts they find.  I typed Fromelles into google and came up with a few sites that are dealing with this.

Just thought you would like to know.

Ritchie

[MelPack]

Name: Douglas Caswell

1901 census information:
RG13/2783/46 p 17
Sand Pits, Powick, Worcestershire.

Edwin E Caswell 33 Coal Agent b Powick Worcestershire
Sophie M C Caswell 34 b Weisbaden Germany
Douglas Caswell 6 b Powick, Worcestershire
Nellie G Caswell b Powick
Margrate Caswell 4 b Powick
Ebborn? Ebbora J Caswell 1 b Powick


 
Name: Henry Gardner
 1901 Census:  RG13/3926/114 p 34
64 Belgrave St Blackburn
 
William Gardner 54  b Kirkham
Mary Gardner 54  b Dutton Lancashire
Richard H Gardner 23  b Slaidburn Yorkshire
Francis Gardner 21 b Slaidburn Yorkshire
Joseph Gardner 17  b Slaidurn Yorkshire
Henry Gardner 14  b Slaidburn Yorkshire
George Gardner 13  b Slaidburn Yorkshire
 
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[MelPack]

Name: Sydney W Dennis
1891 Census information:
RG12/482/33 p3
Queens Road Peckham

William Dennis  38 Outfitter & draper  b  Devon
Elizabeth Dennis 38   b Cornwall
Ethel Dennis  11 b Upper Norwood Surrey
Marion Dennis 10  b Shepherd's Bush, Middlesex
Constance Dennis 8 b Balham
Adeline Dennis 6 b Balham Surrey
Sydney W Dennis  5 b Balham Surrey
Hilda M Dennis 2 b Balham Surrey
Dorothy Dennis 1 b Peckham Surrey
 
 
Name: Charles Hill
1891 census
RG12/615/104 p 63
Spring Gardens East Molesey Surrey
 
Alexander Hill 26  b Guildford Surrey
Ellen Hill 31  b Kingston on Thames
Charles Hill 2  b E Molesey
Ellen L Hill 1  b Ockley Surrey
Alexander Hill 3 weeks b E Molesey Surrey
 
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[MelPack]

I will post the rest later.

regards

Mel

[silvery]

There's a couple of separate threads for names on the 'common room' board.  It was getting to information overload on this one!      At least for me it was!

(copyright does not allow cutting and pasting from census sites!  )

[Auimfo]

Silvery has started a new thread in the common room for Douglas Caswell. I think this is the best way to progress with this search - a new thread for each soldier. Is this something that the moderators can do - split this thread into one for each chap, or is that too difficult?

Now I know I'm only a newby here on Rootschat so feel free to howl me down but I think the easiest way to keep this whole thing from becoming too confusing is to create a 'sub-forum' called Fromelles and then list the details of each of these men in separate threads there (which keeps them all together).

Don't forget, these are just the UK born Aussies we've listed so far.   There are quite a few natural born Aussies that we still seek descendants for!!

I guess it's a decision for the Moderators to make and with my 'wet behind the ears' status it's probably a bit forward of me to suggest.

Cheers,
Tim L.

[little meg]

removed as 'off track' - sorry 

[majm]

Hi All,

Its my morning tea time here in NSW, and I have had a quick look at two of those lads AIF records, and I notice discrepancies between the dates the Aussies recorded as the KIA dates and the dates the Germans note this.  The German records show the dates as 19 July 1916, and the Aussie records sometimes seem to have it as a day or more AFTER that.

The reason I am being a tad pedantic is quite simply that the German records are precise, and were forwarded to the AIF HQ in 1916.  It may be that this will help others, external to this forum, to GO BACK OVER the entire list of probables KIA Aussies to re-confirm the names on the possible Fromelles fallen.

I explain quickly:
889 GARDNER (Remembering that the Germans and his own family used this spelling for his surname, as he did too and as did his boss from his civilian workplace) page 22 of 33 at his National Archives of Australia AIF records:  He fell on the MORNING of  19 July in the Fromelles area  "aust. Sold* G a r d n e r,  H. Erk. Mrk* 889,  30. Bn  am 19.7 in Genend Fromelles gefallen" I cannot read German, but I am sure he fell on the morning of 19 July 1916. which may indicate that many of the other 191 lads fell on that day rather than on the 20th or later.

They grow NOT old, as we that are left grow old,  .......  LEST WE FORGET.

Just Moi, hoping to be able to help.  

[percy porter]

It may well be that the confusion with the dates 19th versus 20th could be due to the fact that we in the Southern hemisphere are a day ahead of those in the Northern hemisphere, so a battle on the 19th would have been the 20th over here.

Or is that too obvious?

Alan NZ