CoastGuards/HM Customs Officers

[mikelmouse]

I am trying to trace (if possible) where my 4 x Great Grandfather John HAYES came from in Tipperary. John was a coastguard/HM Customs officer born about 1811 and married Margaret RAFFATY in about 1836. Margaret was from Limerick. They were living in Devon from 1837 until about 1860 when they moved firstly to Hoose (Hoylake) 1861; Parkgate (Cheshire) 1864; Liverpool (as HAYS on census) 1871 then lastly in Birkenhead from about 1881 until his death.

I have quite a bit of information on John except where he (and Margaret) were born and also where they married (Ireland or UK). They had several children 4 boys (one died young) & 4 girls. The three remaining boys stayed in Devon as far as I know, and the girls moved with their parents to Wirral from Devon somewhere between 1854-1861.

I have researched the coastguard list, and although John and the family are on there, there is no indication as to where they originated from in their respective counties. I have been told that it will be like looking for a needle in a haystack but, what the hey, you gotta try somewhere!

Any help would be gratefully received.

[maryderry]

have you tried this site.


http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/news.php



                                   regards mary.

[mikelmouse]

Yes thank you Mary last year and have had no success so far

[shanew147]

Full civil registration started in Ireland in 1864 - so parish records would be required to find out about John.

Parish transcripts for many counties are available on the (pay-site) of the IFHF at www.irish-roots.ie - and the index shows 9 matches for a John Hayes baptism between 1807 and 1815, two of these are in 1911.  It could be difficult to establish a certain connection with one of these without additional details.

btw : I have a similar brick-wall with a coast guard ancestor of mine, except I haven't been able to figure out yet if he was born in Ireland or England..


Shane

[wkd]

It seems we are both trying to trace the birth place and marriage place of John and Margaret without much succes!!   We are obviously related. My line is through Ellen Hayes which one are you through?  If you have any further information let me know. I am in Birkenhead where John and Margaret lived until their deaths.

Regards.

Irene

[mikelmouse]

Hi Irene
Wonderful to hear from you, I have much information going forward. I am in Wallasey I used to live in Birkenhead. I hope that we can chat on the phone or via email.
*. I am decended from Ellen's son John. Some confusion which I and my Unlce Rob have concluded to be the right way.

Hope to hear from you soon

Mike

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[wkd]

Mike this is dead exciting. John was the one with no father as I remember it. John and Margaret brought him up until he wed Mary J  Wills. He was their grandson.

Any chance of meeting up and seeing what we have got on the subject?

Funny enough we were in Flaybrick cemetery this weekend lookin for the grave Mary's mother bought. Grave number 742 area number 8.  Coudnt find it though!

Irene Hayes

[mikelmouse]

Hi Irene
Yes I can ring you or you me. (*) tomorrow?
Yes and Ellen married someone else

Mike

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[shanew147]

just thought that I'd let you know this in case you can try this line of inquiry to find your coastguards place of birth.

I was eventually able to trace the birthplace of my coastguard ancestor by locating his Seamans records in BT113 at Kew (using a researcher).  The records did not give much detail on his work but did include details of where he was born (Bristol) and that at the time he was ticketed his address is given as C.G. Station, Dalkey. The date and location ties in with his ADM175 coastguard records.



Shane