SRO Ipswich Newspaper Lookup - KINDRED

[Sandy H]

Hello, 

I've been told that the SRO in Ipswich has newspapers on film. I am looking for the death of

    Eliza Kindred who died 14 Jan 1829 age 17 and her sister, Lucy who died 18 Jan 1829 age 7 months in
    Framlingham, Suffolk. Family lore has it that Eliza was accidentally. shot in the head by her fiance. It would seem
    that something that unusual must have been in the local papers.

A rootschat friend told me that the "Framlingham Weekly News" is on film at the SRO in Ipswich and the paper goes back to 1819, so there is a good possibility that it will be there. She also said that there were other local newspapers from that era on film.
 
I would truly appreciate any help I can get. I would really like to solve this family mystery!

Thank You!

Sandy H 

[Clincher2]

The Suffolk RO at Ipswich had (the last time I was there - a year or two back) a card index to the main newspaper of that time the Ipswich Journal which is on film there. It was very useful for my purposes once or twice.
Obviously, I cannot guarantee that the index will include the name 'Kindred' but you never know your luck. If I were you I would give the name of the fiance as well

[Rick]

Hi Sandy

I have checked the index of Sudden deaths (including murders) and inquests in Suffolk but there is no sign of an entry for Eliza or Lucy.  This might suggest that the family tale is just that a tale, or perhaps something else, less gruesome occurred?

The only entry for a KINDRED at Framlingham was this one.  If you would like a copy of the inquest quote the reference to the Suffolk Record Office.

Ref 66/18 - KINDRED Sarah, aged 62 - Died 1852 Framlingham - Inquest verdict - Natural causes by visitation of God.

http://www.suffolk.gov.uk/LeisureAndCulture/LocalHistoryAndHeritage/SuffolkRecordOffice/

Rick

[Sandy H]

Hello Clincher and Rick!

I'm sorry, but I do not know the name of her fiance. I wish I did!

Thank you, Rick for looking that up for me on the Sudden Death Index. It would seem that it would be there, but, I don't know the years for that index.

As for the story just being a tale, there a lot of details to the story that make it plausible. The story is that the gun was hung above the fireplace and the fiance was reaching up to get the gun down and it went off, accidentally shooting her. There is a drawing of her (not a photo), which makes the date of 1829 seem right, because that was before photography. Her name was Eliza or Elizabeth and she was 17 yrs old, just like the Parish Record.

What I haven't told you is that I am not really sure who the person is who was shot, only the particulars in the above paragraph. There are 2 other young females in the family who died young, so it might be one of them. But Eliza Kindred fit all the particulars better than the other 2, so I thought I would start with her. Another rootschatter, told me that the "Framllingham Weekly News" is on film at the SRO in Ipswich going back to 1819. That is why I was asking for a lookup.....to prove or eliminate her.

I live in the US and unfortunately, I will not be able to visit Suffolk in the near future.

The other 2 females are: Lucy Kindred d. ca 1870 Framlingham, SFK., age 22 yrs. and Elizabeth Suckling d. ca 1870 Essex, age 22 yrs. I can send away for their death records, but I thought Eliza Kindred was a better match, so, I wanted to start with her.

I made another post about Eliza, and I tried to put the link here for you, but a box popped up in regards to "copyright" material. It said I could only put in the link if it was my own, which it was! Anyway.....it deleted my whole reply to you, so I had to re-write the whole thing! I will see if I can give you the post #, if you would like to look at it.

The topic is "Was she really shot in the head?" topic #373739

I hope this all makes sense!!

Best Regards,

Sandy

[Suffolk Mawther]

Sandy, I think I may have mislead you on the Framlingham Weekly News publications, Robert Lambert applied for a press licence in 1859 and produced the first copy of the Framlingham Weekly News that year.
Lambert's Almanac was started in 1857.
(information from The Commercial Life of a Suffolk Town by John Bridges)

You can find articles from newspapers of the time for your research at http://www.foxearth.org.uk/newspapers.html
Which I have already checked, but you may like to check again from December 1828-January 1829.

Pat ...

[Rick]

The Sudden death index covers the years 1767 - 1921 in two volumes and covers inquests within the Liberty of St Etheldreda. (Threadling, Loes, Plomesgate, Carlsford,Wilford and Coneis Hundreds)

It is possible that the female KINDRED shooting was missed from the index but I think it unlikely.  Perhaps she was shot but not fatally?

You cannot paste links using the "right click" method on some boards but it is possible to do so using the Edit menu. Here is the link to your other post.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373739.0.html

Rick

[Sandy H]

Hello Pat and Rick! 

Thank you for your kind help!

I had checked Foxearth several years ago and I checked it again just now. It is not there, but I did notice that the newspaper articles said "selections from.....", so they are not complete, so it is possible that the account is just not among the Foxearth selections. However, it would seem that it would be sensational enough that it should be there! In the description, it said that the microfiche was brittle and sometimes unreadable, so that may also be the case.

Rick, it is possible that she was not shot fatally, of course. But she did die in 1829 at the age of 17, just like the story. However, the fact that Eliza and Lucy died a few days apart in the winter, indicates to me that most likely they died of some sort of sickness.

Do either of you know if PR's list or mention the cause of death? Probably not.

Perhaps I will never be able to find out what happened to Eliza. I just wanted to eliminate her and move on to the other 2 girls. Their deaths were ca 1870 and I think the records of their deaths should also tell me the cause of death.

Thanks Again!

Sandy

[Rick]

Do either of you know if PR's list or mention the cause of death? Probably not.

Sandy

Occasionally a helpful incumbent will make a note of cause of death in the burial register, though this is very rare in my experience.

Rick

[Sandy H]

Thanks, Rick!

That's what I figured.

Sandy