Manchester Glassmaker, Census required

[MUMMYG]

I came across this info on A2A

R B Edmundson and son
Running a stained glass works
New Wakefield Street
Manchester

The info pertains to Jan-August 1884 but I know he was in the business at least in 1861 and 1872

I think this is my ancestor, his name could be Ralph Bolton or Robert Bolton Edmundson(a family tradition) his family came from Northumberland originally but settled in Warrington and StHelens. There are two possibilities for birth year 1808 (father)and 1838(his son)

Im trying to find R B in Manchester along with his family, can anyone help please?

He made stained glass windows for Manchester Cathedral, Princes Road Synagogue Liverpool and Ludlow Parish church,Shropshire.

Thanks Gill

[NEILKE]

hi gill just out of intrest did he put the stained glass together wich is a skilled craft in its self or blow the muffins that were flattened out and cut into shapes to make the windows.
regards neil

[wendy47]

Hi Gill

Do you have the 1851 Census?
 1851 census for 71 Liverpool Road, Eccleston, St Helens

The Head is absent
Margret Edmundson  43 Artisrts wife b Newcastle upon Tyne
James Edmundson    19 Glass Stainer b Warrington
Elizabeth Edmundson    17 b Warrington
Mary Ann Edmundson    9 b Warrington
Ralph Bolton Edmundson    7 b Warrington
Margret Scott    73 Mother Widow formerly Glass Stainers wife b Newcastle upon Tyne

 HO107/ Piece 2195/Folio 139/ Page 75

Wendy

[wendy47]

Do you have the 1841 Census?
King street Warrington

Ralph Edmundson     32 Glass Stainer Not b in county
Margret Edmundson    33 Not b in county
Margret Edmundson    11
James Edmundson    9
Elizabeth Edmundson    7
Mary Edmundson    4 months
Margaret Scott    63 F S Not b in county


HO107 Piece 521 Folio 7 Page 6

Wendy

[MUMMYG]

Neil,
Im not sure
I think he actually constructed some completely and fitted others that were already made up, some of the stuff Ive found seems to suggest it was his work,  but paid for by others,for example at Princes road it says,
Stained glass with abstract pattern by R.B Edmundson,Ludlow parish church says signed by Edmundson (or could it be designed) and one of the Manchester ones says given by a citizen once a corrister,it is by R B Edmundson and son.
If its the right person his family have history with Pilkingtons of St Helens one a designer another set up and ran a staining room and others where managers.

[wendy47]

This is where Ralph was in 1851

22 Compton Street Bloomsbury Middlesex

Joseph H Jewell     37
Ann Jewell    33
Sarah Jewell    11
Sarah Jessop    69
Lydia Bunning    17
Margaret Sheen    29
Richard H Sheed    28
John Haler    37
Ralph B Edmundson 42 Glass Stainer & Painter
Barnard Beieml    21

 HO107 Piece 1507 Folio 20 Page: 33
Wendy

[Barbara.H]

1861:

57 Bristol (I think) St, Hulme

Ralph B Edmondson age 52 'artist in stained glass works, employing 20 men and 6 boys'  born Newcastle
Margaret, 52, wife b. Newcastle
Mary Edmondson   20 b. Warrington
Mary E Smith 10, grandaughter, born St Helens
James Edmundson 29 son,  artist in stained glass, b. Warrington
Elizabeth Edmundson 34, d-in-law, born Blaydon, durham
Elizabeth J Edmundson 2 granddaughter, born Manchester

  Barbara

[wendy47]

There is also this family living at 9 Pilkingtons Row Sutton Lancs
1861
William Edmundson  Widower   57 Labourer
Elizabeth Edmundson Unm    30
Ralph Edmundson Son 18 Glass Maker
Thomas Edmundson Son   15 Glass Maker
Robert Edmundson Son   9 Glass Maker
   
All b St Helens

RG9 Piece 2753 Folio 56 Page 12


Wendy

[MUMMYG]

Wendy,
Thanks, Yes its this family Im trying to link in to, it seems awfully coincidental two  R B EDMUNDSON Glassworkers around at the same time just down the road from each other dont you think?
I need to find him in manchester to see if it is one of these Ralphs.

Gill

PS just got the Compton St bit, oooh thanks for that, wonder what he was doing there then?

And the Sutton one,thats Ralph Boltons brother.