looking for Patrick Carroll

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sancti you are a genius

Never thought to try variations on the surname.Spent a fortune on SP looking for them!
That looks like the family, some of the childrens birth dates correspond with what I have and you have found the other siblings for me

Will try now and get them on the 1871 though Jane was dead by then(1870)

Many thanks Annette

[sancti]

I hope it is the right family, sorry the index doesn't give the address

I tried a search on SP for John using, car*l* rather than using soundex

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hi sancti yes it is the right family,recognise the names that came down the nex generation. Managed to find them in the 1851,down as carrol! Stupid never thought to drop the last L!
Still cant find him on the 1871 after Jane died or the 1881 the year before he died

Perseverance and I might get there

Thanks again sancti for vyour help
Annette

[sancti]

Where did they die?

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Hi Sancti, Jane died in 1870 in Hutchesontown in January of that year but I have her on the 1851 and 1861 censuses.
Patrick died in  May 1882 in Denniston so he should be on the   1871 and 1881 census.The youngest son John would have been about 12 or 13 for the 1871 and I presume still at home.I have tried all variants of the surname but no luck
The other thing is that on his death cert he is down as widower of 1st Jane Flannigan and 2nd Susanna McDaid or Wells but I can't find this second marriage anywhere

Annette

[sancti]

What was the address that Patrick died at?

What age was given for him?

Who registered the death?

Perhaps John died as an infant and that is why you can't find him on the census.

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Hi sancti
John was on the 1881 census with his brother James and his family aged 20.
Patrick died at the Royal Infirmary Glasgow, usual address 156 Holm Street, informant was Patrick Carroll Jr, residence 156 Holm Street
Age was given as 53 but this was out as he was 42 in 1861

Annette

[daval57]

Hope this helps........


Patrick and Peter were effectively interchangeable in Scotland.
 
From the IGI
*Patrick CARROLL, b 18 Dec 1856, Central District, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, parents Patrick CARROLL & Jane FLANAGAN
*John CARROL, b 22 Feb 1859, Blythswood, Glasgow,Lanarkshire, parents Peter CARROL & Jane FLANNIGAN
 
1871 census
Registration District 644/5 Clyde, Civil Parish Glasgow St Enochs, Enumeration District 30, Page 6
52 Maxwell Street
Peter CARL, 50, Head, Labourer, b Ireland
Elizabeth CARL, 23, Daughter, Millworker, b Ireland
Helen CARL, 17, Daughter, Millworker, b Cookbury Lanarkshire
Peter CARL, 14, Son, Painter, b Glasgow Lanarkshire
John CARL, 12, Son, b Glasgow Lanarkshire
Helen CROSSAN, 4 months, Granddaughter, b Glasgow Lanarkshire
 
From the IGI
*John CROSSAN m Elizabeth CARROL, 14 Jul 1865, High Church, Glasgow Lanarkshire
*Jane CROSSAN, b 6 Jun 1866, Central District, Glasgow Lanarkshire, parents John CROSSAN & Elisabeth CARROLL
*Elisabeth CROSSAN, b 18 Nov 1868, Hutchesontown, Glasgow Lanarkshire, parents John CROSSAN & Elisabeth CARROLL
*Helen CROSSAN, b 26 Oct 1870, Clyde, Glasgow Lanarkshire, parents John CROSSAN & Elizabeth CARROL
 
1881 census
Registration District 644/7 Blythswood, Civil Parish Glasgow St. George, Enumeration District 22, Page 19
5 West College Street
Peter CARROL, 60, Head, General Labourer, b Ireland
Elizabeth CARROL, 28, Daughter, b Ireland
Peter CARROL, 22, Son, General Labourer, b Glasgow Lanarkshire
Ellen CROSSAN, 10, Granddaughter, Scholar, b Glasgow Lanarkshire
Patrick MCMAHON, 6, Grandson, b Glasgow Lanarkshire
Lizzie MCMAHON, 4, Granddaughter, b Glasgow Lanarkshire
 
Re the new information re Patrick having re-married.
 ...
1871 census
81 Stirling St, Milton, Glasgow Barony LKS
Susan WELLS, Head, 33, Employed, b Coombes LKS
Charles WELLS, Son, 15, Master Apprentices, b Glasgow LKS
Susan WELLS, Daughter, 12, b Glasgow LKS
William WELLS, Son, 6, b Glasgow LKS
Mary WELLS, Daughter, 4, b Glasgow LKS
Rose MCDADE, 70, Mother, b Ireland
Mary MCDADE, 12, b Ireland
 
And Susan is in the 1881 census still under WELLS

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daval57
wow you have been busy,thanks!
Yes I noticed that Peter was on the son Johns birth cert when I printed it yesterday,now I know why.Thought it was a mistake as Peter was Janes father.
The census for 1871 and 1881 look like them although I wasnt sure about the daughter Helen as she wasnt on the 1861 census. But the name fits as Helen was Janes mother's name.
I am doing a bit of childminding today but will have a look at all that info later.

daval57 I owe you and sancti a very BIG thanks for all your hard work.Carroll is my maiden name and none of my father's family knew any of the family history so my auntie will be delighted with all this new info

Many thanks
Annette