Kate Hurley <1843>

[Sharon66]

Hello

Kate Hurley was b.<1843>. I have only been able to track her back through the census' from 1901 to 1871. Before this date I have been unable to find her anywhere.
Her birth place on these census' all varied.
1901 - St Pancras
1891 - Unknown
1881 - St pancras
1871 - Middlesex.

There are Kate Huleys in earlier census' but the fathers name doesnot match the entry on her marriage cert (1888) of Thomas hurley.
 
I have never been able to track down a birth entry for her or any details on her father Thomas in England. I even sent off for a birth certificate for the only Kate Hurley registered between 1842 and 1844 in the St pancras area but this turned out to be another Kate with a different father and can be traced through the census so I know it was definately not my Kate.

So my thoughts have turned to pursuing a family rumour that she/and or her family originated from Cork.

Can anyone help or advise me, as it seems as though I am searching for a needle in a haystack!

Kind regards
Sharon

[aghadowey]

Do all the census records listed (1881-1901) just give her birthplace as Ireland? If she was born in Ireland there will be no birth certificate as civil registration of births started in 1864.

Have you searched for her in 1911 census? (no guarantees but quite a few people have found 1911 gives a more exact birth location than 'Ireland')

[sarahsean]

It makes it hard that you don`t know whereabouts in Cork the family came from as records are done by parish as in England.  To go any further you really need to find out the area they came from.  Do you have any family photographs which could help?

 Have you uncovered any placenames in your research which could help identify the area?

The 1840`s was the time of the famine in Ireland, could you trace any of Kate`s family emigrating to America for instance. The Ellis Island records which are free online give the place of origin of the emigrants.

Irish civil records are online but unless you track down the area it is going to be hard to narrow down any information and discover which family is yours.

It could be possible that she did not arrive in England until  1871 if you cannot find her until then. How is she living with? Is it possible she came to England to be with family members already working there. Are there other Hurleys in the area where she is living in 1871?

Good luck
Regards
Sarah

[Sharon66]

Thank you for your reply aghadowey

None of the census' that I have found for Kate listed Ireland as a birth place. I am only pursuing the Ireland possibility due to the fact that
a) I can not locate her prior to 1871
b) family rumour has it that her family originated from Ireland.

Regards
Sharon

[shanew147]

the surname distribution (based on Griffiths Valuation data - c 1855) show that most Hurley entries are in Co. Cork - which fits your with the rumour. Unfortunatly it is a common in that county - about 650 households.

Since the date (1843)  is before full civil registration started in 1864 parish records would be required to trace Kate's line further back. If the family was non-Catholic then you could find Civil Marriage registrations from 1845.

There are quite a few (civil) parishes in county Cork - over 250, so searching microfilms for these would be a massive task. Parish transcripts for parts of Co. Cork (North & North East)are available on the Irish Family History Foundation (pay-per-view) site at www.irish-roots.ie


Shane

[aghadowey]

Just to clarify a few things-

The 1840`s was the time of the famine in Ireland, could you trace any of Kate`s family emigrating to America for instance. The Ellis Island records which are free online give the place of origin of the emigrants.

Ellis Island opened in 1892 and the online records at www.ellisisland.org cover 1892-1924.
Earlier New York passenger arrivals are at www.castlegarden.org but give only minimal details (name, age, occupation, country of origin)

Irish civil records are online but unless you track down the area it is going to be hard to narrow down any information and discover which family is yours.

Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages in Ireland started in 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages).

I have never been able to track down a birth entry for her or any details on her father Thomas in England. I even sent off for a birth certificate for the only Kate Hurley registered between 1842 and 1844 in the St pancras area but this turned out to be another Kate with a different father and can be traced through the census so I know it was definately not my Kate.

If Kate was born in Ireland her birth will not have been registered in England.

Note: just about to post this reply and see that census records do not give Kate's birthplace as Ireland so there's really no point searching there until you can find more details in England. To search in Ireland you need to know where the family lived (parish if not actual townland not just the county).

[Sharon66]

Thank you for all your replies.

To be honest this woman has become the bain of my life! She has been my personal 'brickwall' ever since I started researching my FT some 9 years ago and I think in desperation I might be clutching at straws.
 However she did lead a very 'colourful' life with lots of children, some of which were named after my G-G-grandfather despite not marrying him for a further 8 years.... My own g-grandfather was given his surname yet the fathers name was blank on the birth cert and Kate was using her maiden name despite me knowing that she had been previously married to someone else.
All this in the 1800's. Tut tut!

regards
Sharon