1861 census please, BARNARD

[francesr]

I'd be most grateful for the whereabouts of JAMES BARNARD b. Hackney c.1809, government printer (Tasmania). He was visiting England at this time. His wife Charlotte and daughter Charlotte Emily are both registered in Hackney in 1861 and 3 sons in Godmanchester. So where was James? Thanks very much.

[Valda]

Misenumerated by the census enumerator and or mistranscribed by the indexer or lodging somewhere and missed off the household schedule by whoever filled it in, or after a hard day collecting and helping to fill in household schedules, missed off by the census enumerator when copying out the household schedules into the census enumerator's book (all household schedules were subsequently destroyed and no checks were made), or on census night  he was staying in one of the sections of the 1861 census that has been lost.

This website (half way down) lists the London sections that have not survived.

http://www.findmypast.com/helpadvice/knowledge-base/census/


Regards

Valda

[UkApril]

I've had a good look on The Genealogist, and found several the right age, but none of them born in Hackney. Perhaps he was missed off the record, as suggested.
April

[francesr]

Dear Valda and April,
Thanks so much for this. I am wondering if perhaps JB wasn't born in Hackney after all? I got this info from the Australian Dictionary of Biography. Could you send me the 2 JB's you have found April? I might be able to tell from his profession? Thanks.
I really appreciate your help. Sometimes it's a bit like 'hacking through the wilderness' trying to find information!
Frances

[Valda]

Hi Frances

Across the whole of England there are 21 James Barnards showing on the 1861 census index I have access to who were born within 5 years of the date you cited. Ignoring the ones that appear to have wives with them that brings it down to 7 with only one in the London area and one misindexed in the London area.

Born circa 1811 in Hampton Middlesex in Stepney a tailor. Unmarried though he had a daughter Jane aged 13 born St Lukes Middlesex with him.
There is another misindexed as James who is actually Jane Barnard a daughter born circa 1811 with her mother.

There are three other James Barnards in London but they all have wives with them.

Born circa 1811 in Havering Essex a waiter in Islington
James E H. born cira 1811 in Deptford Kent a lighterman in St George in the East
Born circa 1813 in Tewkesbury Gloucestershire a house painter in Islington.

Of the James Barnards outside of London with no wives – 6

Born circa 1804 in Deerhurst Gloucestershire and in the same place on the census and unmarried butcher.
Born circa 1805 in Writtle Essex and lodging there an unmarried ag lab.
Born circa 1806 in Sullington Sussex and in Ashurst Sussex an unmarried ag lab
Born circa 1809 in High Ham Somerset and in the same place on the census an unmarried farmer.
Born circa 1811 in Haughley and in Wetherden Suffolk an ag lab who was a widower.
Born circa 1814 Bardfield Saling, Essex and in the same place for the census an unmarried ag lab.

That leaves 11 James Barnards outside of the London area but who all appear from the index to have wives with them.

Regards

Valda

[francesr]

Hi Valda,
Oh, you are good - thank you for all this. Well, my James Barnard is definitely not any of these, so it looks as though you were right the first time ie. census night or missing records problems. At least I know for sure now so I'll end this strand of my enquiries I think.
Thanks again!
regards,
Frances

[francesr]

I have another Barnard query please - should I make this a new post altogether?
I would like to know where to search for Edward Barnard, 1786-1861. He was co-agent general for the Crown Colonies (1820's till his death). I have heaps on his public life and from the 1841 census on, but nothing on his parents, siblings, wife (except her name: Jane,) or children. He went to Eton.
I'd be most grateful.
Thanks.
Francesr

[Valda]

Hi

Part 1

Since Edward was a man of some standing he may have left a will which would tell you more about his family. After 1858 wills were probated nationally not in local church courts


http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/infoabout/civil/probate/index.htm


Edward gives conflicting birthplaces on the censuses. St George Hanover Square baptism registers are not indexed on the IGI. The parish registers are held at Westminster Archives.

Chiselhurst Kent baptism registers are not indexed by the IGI. The registers are held at Kent Archives in Maidstone. The Bishop Transcripts for Chiselhurst baptisms are indexed on the BVRI.

There are Barnard baptisms but none for an Edward circa 1786.

James and Mary Barnard baptised three children there
James 1784
Basden 1786
Sarah 1799

Basden had one child baptised there in 1811. According to a tree on the interent Sarah Barnard married Henry James and was living in Chiselhurst in 1851. The census entry shows Henry was a shoemaker.

The other Barnard family of Edward and Mary Ann(e) were of a higher social standing. They had four children baptised in Chiselhurst between 1788-1794.

Marianne Beadon 1788
Charles Townshend 1790
Henry Watson 1792
John 1794


Prerogative Court of Canterbury will

Will of Reverend Henry Watson Barnard, Clerk of Wells , Somerset
Date 03 October 1855
Catalogue reference PROB 11/2220 


1851 census HO107 1934 folio
Liberty Wells Somerset
Henry W Barnard 59 Head Married Magistrate of the county and Vicar of St Cuthbert and Cannon of the Cathedral Chiselhurst Kent
Eleanor Barnard 50 Wife Married ? Bucks
Fanny S Barnard 27 Daughter Pilton Somerset 
Edward T Barnard 25  Son Late of the Army Southampton
Emily H Barnard 17 Daughter Wells Somerset 
plus 3 servants

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_W._Barnard

Reverend Henry Watson BARNARD, Vicar of St.Cuthbert’s and Canon of Wells, died 9th July 1855, aged 63 years, at Granada

http://website.lineone.net/~stephaniebidmead/malaga.htm

He apparently died of cholera.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NG8DAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA222&dq=%22henry+watson+barnard%22&lr=


Google books a partial quote

Admissions to the college of St. John the Evangelist in the University of ...‎by St. John's College (University of Cambridge),
'Two of their sons were members of the College: Charles Townsend Barnard (BA 1812) and Henry Watson Barnard (BA 1815); a third John Barnard was of King's ...'

It looks like Charles Townsend Barnard may have ended up in Dresden

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=4CkSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT232&dq=%22charles+townsend+barnard%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&num=100&as_brr=0


1861 census RG9 2221 folio 41
5 Clarence Terrace Leamington Priors Warwickshire
John Barnard 66 Visitor Unmarried ? Fellow of Kings College Cambridge Chiselhurst Kent
visiting in Bath on the 1871 census


Regards

Valda

[Valda]

Hi

Part 2

Their sister

Prerogative Court of Canterbury will

Will of Marianne Beadon Barnard, Spinster of Littlehampton , Sussex
Date 20 June 1851
Catalogue reference PROB 11/2133 


1851 census HO107 1651 folio 498
Beach Terrace Littlehampton Sussex
Henry Layton 52 Head Married  Captain R N  ?  Chigwell Essex
Charlotte Layton 52 Wife Married Kilkenny Ireland
Marianne Barnard 63 Sister Unmarried Chiselhurst Kent
plus 2 servants

1841 census HO107 1093/6 folio 14
Beach Cottage Littlehampton Sussex
Mary Barnard 76  Ind
Maryan Barnard 50 
Charlotte Layton 40 
Heny Layton 42 C R N
none born Sussex
plus 3 servants


Deaths Jun 1851 
Barnard  Marianne *     Worthing  7 *


I think from a snippet on Google books and another record that this man may have been the grandfather to these Barnards born in Chiselhurst


PCC will

Will of Reverend Edward Barnard, Doctor in Divinity, Provost of Eton College , Buckinghamshire 14 December 1781 PROB 11/1084 


Annals of the King's College of Our Lady of Eton Beside Windsor‎ - Page 169 by Wasey Sterry - 1898
... the election of Dr. Edward Barnard, Fellow of St. John's College Cambridge,
... He was in 1752 private tutor at Eton to Charles and Henry Townshend. ...


Copy of Court Roll  DE/Pr/77790  15 December, 1786
Related information: 4 fifth parts of property as in DE/Pr/77777, and property as in DE/Pr/77515
Contents:
Admission of Edward Barnard of Chislehurst, Kent, esq, son and heir of Rev Edward Barnard, D D, late Provost of Eton College, Bucks, deceased, following default of payment by Joseph Adams, deceased.
Manor of Weston

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=046-depr&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18#-1



EDWARD BARNARD 
Father:  EDWARD BARNARD 
MARY ANN BEADON 
Father: EDWARD BEADON
Marriage:  22 JUL 1784   Saint James, Westminster, London

A possible  death registration for Mary Ann nee Beadon in Hampshire, but equally it might not be her

Deaths Dec 1850   
BARNARD  Mary Anne    Southampton  7 145

There is a slightly later PCC will for a Mary Anne Barnard which gives no place so may not be the same Mary Anne

Will of Mary Anne Barnard 22 December 1852 PROB 11/2162 


Google Books
Admissions to the college of St. John the Evangelist in the University of ...‎ by St. John's College (University of Cambridge), John Eyton Bickersteth Mayor, Robert Forsyth Scott - 1931

'Edward Barnard was the only child of Dr Edward Barnard, ... but held his Prebend in Hereford with Alverstoke until his death at Alverstoke, 23 October 1840 ...'

PCC will

Will of Reverend Edward Barnard, Rector, Clerk of Alverstoke , Hampshire 30 November 1840 PROB 11/1935
 

Eton College Archives

http://www.etoncollege.com/CollegeArchives.aspx


However after all that no son Edward mentioned at least graduating from Cambridge


'Alumni Cantabrigienses From 1752 to 1900: Volume 1

Barnard, Edward.Adm. Fell.-Com. at ST JOHN'S, Oct. 13, 1781. Of Bucks. S. and h. of Edward (1735), D.D., Provost of Eton. B. there Sept. 30, 1763. Matric. Michs. 1782. M.A. (Lambeth) 1803. Lieut. in the Chislehurst Troop of Yeomanry Cavalry, 1794; Major, 1796; retired, 1797. Ord. deacon (Bath and Wells) Apr. 25; priest, Sept. 25, 1803; P.C. of Harefield, Middlesex, 1803-7. R. of Everdon, Northants., 1807-8. V. of Bexley, Kent, 1808-25. Preb. of Hereford, 1809-40. Preb. of Wells, 1812-17. V. of Alverstoke, Hants., 1825-40. Married Mary Ann, dau. of Edward Beadon, R. of North Stonham, Hants., July 22, 1784. Died Oct. 23, 1840, at Alverstoke. Father of Charles T. (1808), Henry W. (1811), John (1814) and George W. (1823). (St John's Coll. Adm., IV.)'

'Barnard, George William.Adm. at KING'S, a scholar from Eton, Aug. 2, 1823. S. of Edward (1781), clerk. B. Feb. 2, 1804, at Harefield, Middlesex. Matric. Michs. 1823. [Degree not taken.] Fellow, 1826-7. Died 1827, at
Cambridge. Brother of John (1814), etc. (King's Coll. Adm. Reg.)'


You are going to have to obtain a copy of at least one of the PPC wills to see if you can prove a connection. These appear to be Edward's dates - Edward Barnard (1786-1861) was born 14th March, 1786, and died 13th December, 1861. ...


Regards

Valda