Grace AITKEN, nee Tennant, Edinburgh

[KirstyG]

Rootschat copyright guidelines

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,37822.0.html

With regard to census entries if the original image is visable to someone, maybe they could do their own transcription of the relevent part. Posting the whole page is usually not allowed.  Perhaps the relevant documents could be sent by email. The PM system is very useful for arranging such things

Kirsty

[Akwaba]

Now could some kind person tell me how to get myself shot of RootsChat.com  because that  action is none too clear and I am not in a helpful mode and have removed 90% of the information on this topic

[KirstyG]

As I understand it the rules roughly are that if you have obtained the information (such as a census entry) from a site that you have to pay for, where they have invested money in making their own transcriptions of the records then the copyright on the transcription belongs to them. So if you copy and paste it you are in breach of copyright.

If you get it from somewhere (such as Scotlands People) where you get an image of the original document then you are free to make your own transcription and post that.

It is always a good idea to mention crown copyright somewhere.

There have been many threads and discussions on this in various parts of the forum, and at the top of every board is a READ THIS FIRST COPYRIGHT post. If you have queries on what is and is not allowed I am sure you can check the FAQs etc or ask one of the Mods for clarification.

Kirsty

[Boongie Pam]

The problem was the cut and pastes from Ancestry scottish census - sadly that breaks copyright rules and we need to protect the site from litigation - hence the removal of the copy and pastes.

Sorry this has upset you but it really isn't personal.

As previously mentioned transcribing from the original image is ok, but not copying a companies indexing.

Regards,
Pam

[Danchaslyn]

 

Hi

It seems to me, that once a RootsChat Moderator has censored a Topic, 99.9% of Members avoid the Topic like a plague..............have noticed this trend in other topics.   

Why?   

Are 99.9 or whatever % of members not prepared to involve themselves in controversy?  Are the members perhaps afraid of a similar fate?   

Having a few days ago viewed, along with countless other members an image in 'Artefacts' clearly displaying the appendage, 'Copyright of Shropshire Archives', and countless other extracts, from what I would perceive as possibly being 'copyrighted' in 'Deciphering Help', and viewing member Akaaba's helpful and informative contributions to this post, as being from a source other than a 'paid for source', I find Boongie Pam's deletion actions, harsh in the extreme.   

Such extreme censorship is neither beneficial, nor productive to Members.   

I, for one, have no idea how now to progress this Topic in a positive and enlightening fashion.   

Cheers

Danchaslyn

[saxonw.]

Fascinating that mine was removed because I didn't just cut and paste I made substantial alterations and added several annotations. If I'd typed it out verbatim then it that OK . I can't remember ever what it was I looked up for you. When I got time (which Unfortuanately I  haven't a the moment:) I will pm it to you.

[Boongie Pam]

Just to be clear I did not delete.  That was a copyright editor who is an expert in this matter.  I will however point them to the threads you describe.

The rules are clearly posted around the site I do not see how it is aiding the original question debating.

[KirstyG]

Ignoring all the confusing sidelines and speculation I have tried to summarise what has been found so far. I am aware there are a few gaps ( 1861 census?)

If anyone would care to fill in the missing pieces, citing sources if possible to help others who might want to trace this family.

As far as I know posting links is fine 

it's a long list so I will post again...


Kirsty

[KirstyG]

Grace Tennant, b. Edinburgh, 1831, d. 16/10/1910,  married John Aitken, b. 1826-7?, a sawyer of Kirkurd, d.1913, Newington?

"GRACE TENNANT married JOHN AITKEN  on the 19 AUG 1867  in
West Linton, Peebles, Scotland "

Who were Grace's parents please?   
Robert Tennant
Mothers surname begins with L
Probably Liddel?


Who were John's parents please?
They may be listed on his death certificate or marriage certificate to Grace.


John Aitken had been married before, but I have no details of his first wife, or where and when wed?   

Janet Bain married 14th March 1852 West Linton



I have details of his first two sons, William Aitken, b. 1853 and Archibald, b.1855, possibly at Penicuik, or Bridgehouse Mile, West Lothian?  Would welcome more details on them?

William      ch. 31st October 1852
Archibald b. 15th February 1855
John b. 8th March 1857

Archibald's 1855 Birth certificate will have a lot of information on it. Worth purchasing from Scotlands People.


In a later post I can go into details of John and Grace Aitken's children.
Extracted records from IGI

John    b. 13th May 1861 West Linton
Robert     b. 11th May 1863 West Linton
Elizabeth b. 3rd August 1865 West Linton
Thomas    b. 4th April 1871 West Linton
Richard    b. 12th May 1874 West Linton

Rev Thomas Aitken, Baptist Prison Chaplain on the Island of St Helena, then Gen Secretary or whatever they call it, of the Baptist Church, South Africa
Richard Aitken, Bank Clerk at age 16? On "Ethiopia" from Glasgow - New York 8th April 1891
Sir Robert Aitken, Banker in India, became Governor of Imperial Bank of India


Census records
1841
"Civil Parish of Edinburgh Lady Yester  Midlothian 
Royal Infirmary

Grace Tennant
10 yrs old 1831  born Scotland
Father Cow Feeder"

1881
Possibly listed as Grace Pratt Aitken?
with Richard Aitken age 1 and Elizabeth age 25?