Howden Marriage - LEIGHTON

[RosemH]

I did.  William's mother's name was Elizabeth Dimaline/Demaline.  I have found the marriage of William Goulden senior and Elizabeth Dimaline in 1791, so I don't know why their son used the name at the time of his marriage in 1815.  Another of life's little mysteries!

RosemH

[jillruss]

Hi again,

Do you have William Goulden/Demaline's baptism?

The 'alias' thing is usually because the person was illegitimate and had then taken on the surname of the man his mother later married.

So, did Elizabeth Demaline marry William Goulden before or after her son William was born? 

Jill

[RosemH]

That was my first thought too.  I haven't got William's baptism (I'm only working from the IGI here as I haven't been able to visit Yorkshire to look at parish records), but from the census his birth year seems to have been either 1792 or 1796, both years being after the marriage of his parents in 1791.  But... we all know how unreliable birth years worked out from the census can be, so you could well be right.

RosemH

[bendywendy]

If you would like Baptism's for Leighton & Lighton for Howden and surrounding areas, let me know, dates are
1659-1703.
NO Goulden or any spelling like it in same above. Goulden family still live in area of Skelton, farmers.
NO Dem/Dimaline listed either.

Skelton was next hamlet to Laxton and Laxton had its own Church for some time, records are held at ERYC.
Also folk from Skelton n Laxton also used the church at Blacktoft, further along the river Ouse.

Bendywendy

[vmb]

Hi RosemH,

I am really new to all this, but I have my great grand father's research so I'm going from that.  Family History was his passion until he died in 1972, so his research was all old-school.

He was Richard Goulden, great grandson of William Goulden and Elizabeth Leighton.

I don't know if you've managed to find anything about William Goulden's baptism in the last 4.5 years, but my Grand-dad's research says that William Goulden (alias Demaline) was born at Cowick, and baptised at Snaith - The Vicar of Snaith at the time (1961) gave him the Snaith entry: "William illegitimate son of William Gowland and Betty Dimaline baptised Oct. 30th 1791".

You say that you found the marriage of William Goulden senior and Elizabeth Demaline in 1791.  I'd really love that information and its source please, if you are able.

Also, where you fit into the family of Williams and Elizabeths (as they are my direct ancestors) - 4 and 5 g grandparents.

Thanks,
Victoria
Merry Christmas

[bendywendy]

Hi vmb
After New Year I can go to my local library and have a look at the records for Snaith to find this baptism for you, hopefully the mircrofiche will cover the dates you require.

I will also look for the marriage of his parents, which I assume is also Snaith.

bendywendy

[vmb]

Hi bendywendy,

That is really kind of you - not easy for me from Christchurch, New Zealand!

I don't know if the marriage of Wiiliam GOWLAND/GOULDEN and Betty/Elizabeth DEMALINE/DIMALINE was at Snaith - they were both (I believe) from Cowick - Snaith was the parish church for Cowick until 1854.  RosemH says earlier in the thread that she found their marriage in 1791, so likely after the baptism of their son 30 October 1791, as he was baptised as illegitimate.

My grand-dad said they must have left Cowick between 1791 and 1795 to move to Howden as their next child John was born 1795 in Howden and the family name was now GOULDEN.

So could be Snaith or Howden.

Thank you again so much.
Victoria
Merry Christmas

[Rosemary Hunter]

Hi Victoria

Nice to meet you.  Elizabeth Dimaline and her son William Goulden (b. 1791) are also my 5th and 4th great grandparents respectively.  My line from William is through his son John (b. 1829), John's son John Henry (b. 1853), John Henry's son Herbert (b. 1882), Herbert's daughter Sheila Mary (b. 1901) and finally Sheila Mary's daughter (my father) George Herbert (b. 1933).

Although I haven't actually seen the record for the marriage of Elizabeth Dimaline and William Goulden, somebody looked it up for me in Yorkshire.  It took place on 29th December 1791 in Snaith.

I didn't have the birth date of William (1791) - in fact I hadn't been able to determine exactly what year he was born - so thank you very much for the entry from the Snaith parish records, that's brilliant!  So his parents got married when he was three months old.

My great grandfather, Herbert Goulden (b.1882) had a younger brother called Richard (b. about 1892) - could he possibly be your great grandfather?  If he is, I've got loads of information - even photos.

RosemH

[vmb]

Hi Rosemary,

It's great to hear from you too.  Yes, my great grandfather Richard Goulden was one of the younger brothers of your great grandfather Herbert, so I think that makes us third cousins!  Richard did a lot of research back to William and Elizabeth (Dimaline) Goulden, but no further back, but I have today heard from 2 other people who have lots of information about the Dimalines going further back, if you don't already have this - I can pass on the information if you would like.

I found the marriage of William & Elizabeth on Family Search, 29 December 1791, but I haven't seen the original.  But I think that pretty much confirms it: their son William was baptised as illegitimate 30 October 1791 (no birth date given) and they married 2 months later.  I have found 6 sons in total but no daughters - do you have any further information?

Do you mean that your father is Sheila's son? or is there another generation?

Richard and his wife Margaret had 2 children, 4 grandchildren, 7 great grandchildren and so far 7 gg grandchildren.  Family history research became his passion and he wrote out the information he had in 4 hardback books, 1 for each grandchild.  I have my mother's copy.  I have scans saved on my Google Drive. Once I have your email address, I can share this with you.

Also through RootsChat, I have been in contact with another of our rellies, Gillian who is descended from the Johnson side of our family.  She is also in contact with 3 other Johnson descendants.

I use GRAMPS as my tree program and am still learning how to use it, but I will try to create a Register report, which will have Richard's research to send to you, if you give me your email address.
I have also sent this message as a PM with my email address.

I would love to see the information that you have and photos.  I have some and I am in the process of digitising them and uploading them to my Google Drive, so I can share them.

Thank you for contacting me.
Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year
Victoria