Glasgow Hunter Family

[Mousey]

Am trying to sort out my husbands Hunter family and have reached a block. I have got as far as Moses Hunter born c.1824 in (Gorbals/Govan) Glasgow. He married Christina Sutherland in 14 Sep 1848 Govan. On the 1851 census he was living at 22 Warwick Street with his wife and his occupation is given as Grain Merchant. 

I cannot find him on the 1841 census and I cannot establish who his parents were.

Any and all help would be appreciated.
Thanks.

Marie

[sancti]

When did he die?

What were the names of his children?

[Mousey]

His children were

William Sutherland Hunter born c1850
John England Hunter born c1856
Moses Alfred Hunter b 4 Oct 1857 Govan
George Frederick Hunter born c1860
Jeannie Noble Hunter born c1866

I don't know when or where he died but he was still living 60 Maxwell Drive at the time of his death.

Marie

[AMBLY]

Hi marie

A simple search for Moses Hunter b 1824 Lanarkshire - immediately throws up top of the list:  he and Christina in all the Census 1851 to 1901. So - the simplest way to establish his parents would be to download his death certificate from Scotlands People.

For elimination purposes: After those 1851>1901 Census entries is an 1841which lists a  Moses HUNTER 14, in household with Andrew THOMSON 30, Manfacturer.and Margaret Hunter THOMSON 20.

FreeCEN, however,  lists this one as Moses Hunter THOMSON
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
138 Portland Street - Gorbals, Lanarkshire
Parish 644/2, Folio 30, pg 19 ED 30 
Andrew THOMSON 30, Manufacturer
Margaret Hunter THOMSON 20
Moses Hunter THOMSON 14
Jane JOHNSTON 15, F. S.
ALL Born lanarkshire

By all accounts found, this Moses HUNTER/THOMSON  in 1841 is the future  Timber Merchant/Employer in the 1861/1871  b abt 1827,Glasgow. died 1872,  with a wife named Maria McNAB (married 1859 in Govan).
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/s/m/i/Loraine-A-Smith/tree1.html
The above linked tree also reports this Moses (1827-1879) was the son of Moses HUNTER (1793-1872) and Margaret ARNIEL (and after Margaret ARNIEL died Moses Snr remarried to the much younger  Jane Alexander THOMSON. It also reports that Margaret THOMSON nee HUNTER (wife of Andrew  as per 1841) was this Moses' b 1827's sister.

The above link also says, the parents of Moses HUNTER snr were: Archibald HUNTER and Margaret JAMIESON.
IGI has their issue as:  Robert 1789 Glasgow; William 1791 Glasgow; Moses 1793 Glasgow; Archibald 1797 Beith Ayr, 
Also noting, Moses Snr and his 2nd wife Jane were in parish of Dunoon and Kilmun  Argyll in 1841.

Your Moses and the 1841 Moses then, may be cousins - but are not the same man.

Found the following in the Edinburgh Gazette
http://www.gazettes-online.co.uk/
Dated 29 Oct 1878
The copartnery carried on by the Subscribers, the Sole Partners, as Grain and Flour merchants in Glasgow, under the firm of JOHN HUNTER and Son was dissolved of Mutual Consent, on 31st May 1877 by the retirement of the subscriber, John England HUNTER........" (signed): J. E. HUNTER; MOSES HUNTER, Glasgow 26 October 1878

This gazette entry looks like   it refers to the father of your Moses - ie: John England HUNTER - whose namesake would be your Moses son of same name b 1855.....?

Your Moses' son John England b 1855  was still alive & well in 1895, producing children with his wife Eliza MARTIN.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-ARGYLL/2004-05/1085717517
In 1891, he and his wife were in Lochgoilhead, Argyll.

Scotland's People have 2  records  in Will section relating to:
John England HUNTER, former merchant of Glasgow, later resident of Lettershaws, Helensburgh died  29 Sep 1888 at Helensburgh, , testate.

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Hi marie

A further search of SP, for the death of John England HUNTER 1888 - shows his age at death is indexed as 69 years.  So born abt 1819. So he can't be your  Moses' father - since your Moses was born only abt 1824.
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/

So John England HUNTER abt 1819 could be a brother of your Moses - same trade - and their father was also Moses John ....same trade - ie Grain merchants. 

I can see John England HUNTER b abt 1819 in Census - will type it up.

Cheers
AMBLY

Edit: Just figured it out - Th co-partners in the firm of John HUNTER & Son, must be brothers named John England and (your) Moses HUNTER - then brother John E retired 1878. So their father must be named "John"?

[sancti]

The OPR's have this BAPTISM record

24/05/1823 HUNTER MOSES son of JOHN HUNTER and MARY ENGLAND  at Glasgow GLASGOW CITY/LANARK

[AMBLY]

1841:Cessnoch Cottage - Govan, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John HUNTER 40, Mechant - Y
Eliz HUNTER 40 -  N
John HUNTER 20 , Merchant, - Y
George HUNTER 20, Baker - Y
Charles HUNTER 10, - Y
Elizabeth HUNTER 5, - Y
Ann CHAPMAN 45 - N
Martha CHAPMAN 10 - N
Martha RICHMOND 5 - Y
Jean SHELINE 20, F.S. - Y
Christina CHAPMAN 15, F.S.  - N

1851: Cessnock Cottage - Govan, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Head: John HUNTER 53, Grain Merchant, b Glasgow
Wife: Elizabeth HUNTER 50, b Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire
Son: J E HUNTER 30, Grain Merchant, b Glasgow
Daughter: Elizabeth HUNTER 15, b Millport, Buteshire
Servant: Christina CHAPMAN 24, b Port Glsgow, Renfrewshire
Servant: Martha CHAPMAN 20, b Port Glsgow, Renfrewshire

1861: 2 Tulliallan Place  - Govan, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Parish 646/1, ED 14, HS 61
Head: John E HUNTER 40, Grain merchant, b Glasgow
Sister: Elizabeth HUNTER 23, Fundholder, b Cumbrae Millport, Buteshire
Servant: Christina CHAPMAN 30, Domestic Servant, b Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire

1871: 14 Walmer Crescent, Govan, Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Parish 646/1, ED 16, HS 88
Head: John HUNTER 57, Flour Merchant, b Glasgow
Sister: Eliza HUNTER 27, Annuitant, b Millport??  Buteshire??
Servant: Christina CHAPMAN 32, Genl Servant, b P Glasgow, Renfrew

1881: Glenelg Villa  - Helensburgh, Row, Dumbartonshire
Parish 503, ED 12, HS31
Head: John E HUNTER 60, Housekeeper??, b Glasgow
Serv: Christina CHAPMAN 50, Domestic Servant, b Port Glasgow, Renfrewshire
Serv: Frances CARY 19, Manufacturer ?? Employing 100 Men, b England

Suspect something quite awry with the above 1881 - the original should be checked on SP.
Suspect Mrs CHAPMAN is the Houskeeper, Miss CARY the Dom Servt., and John's occupation of Grain merchant has been applied in transcript to whoever preceded him on the actual sheet!!!

Scotland People WILLS Section:
John HUNTER, Merchant in Glasgow, died Cessnock Cottache Govan near Glasgow - Inventory dated 6 Oct 1853.
John HUNTER, Flour merchant in Glasgow, spouse of Elizabeth McLUCKIE - Trust Disposition and Settlement; Codicil dated 6 Oct 1853

So with what Sancti has found - Elizabeth McLUCKIE may be a 2nd wife - stepmother to you Moses?
John HUNTER and Elizabeth McLUCKIE

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

IGI MARRIAGE (Extracted)
John HUNTER & Elizabeth MCLASKY - 15 Dec 1832 Gorbals


Cheers
AMBLY
 
 

[Mousey]

Thanks everyone.

A lot to digest. I must finish my ironing and then I will have a proper look at all this info.

Thanks again.