Swifts of Wolverhampton dead end?-updated, the plot thickens!

[mothball]

Hello again, glad this is all of help.  I presume you have the 1871 census for the new family?

RG10, 2944, F75,page 7

Steven

[mothball]

Sorry yes, you have on one of your first posts.

I read that census as Thomas Swift 20  had married Ann 20  therefore Richard born 1871 was from Thomas and Ann.

Marriage Q4 1870 Thomas Swift + Ann Bright or Parker Wolverhampton 6b 747

Steven

[kneller1980]

seriously you are awesome!!! i saw that a humphrey had been born to a tomlin but didn't check as i was so overwhelmed and there it is-done for me-fantastic!!! you truly are wonderful

now a question....

i have found letitia on later censuses living with her uncle, presumbly due to being a widow she is listed as FUNDHOLDER?! sooooo what's one of those then? does that mean she inherited her uncles estate? Also the former servant to her uncle had a child and on the next census they are listed as JONES and fundholders and letitias neices....so maybe, it is her uncles daughter? even tho there was a massive age gap!

or do i read tooo many genealogy books lol?!

1851 and 1861 census!

[osprey]

there are 2 Letitia Tomlins around, the one you found is unmarried. 
Probable death reg
Letitia Tomlins march qtr 1848 Shrewsbury vol 18 pg 177

1851 Humphrey is in Atcham workhouse, a widower aged 75 born Condover HO107/1990 folio 133 pg 8 transcribed on Ancestry as Toinlius 

His death reg
Humphrey Tomlins june qtr 1856 Atcham vol 6a pg 399

can't see a baptism for him in the Condover batch on the IGI, but there are Tomlins + variant names families in the batch and the name Humphrey does crop up.

[mothball]

I found this one on 1861 and 1871 Census

Well am not that sure (Fundholder - 1861), but on the 1871 census she's still going = Letita Tomlins as living off an
annuitant which I believe is living off shares or the like, some money she inherited I expect!!  Great.

There are two references on Ancestry for Letitia Downton Shropshire: Parish and Probate Records, but they are in the Deluxe section and I don't have access to it, so it looks like she was left shares or a some money.

In case you don't have the 1871 Census

RG10 2740 Folio 22 Page 24

Lord it's  a complicated tree.   She is living as an Aunt to a Ann Bentley and also in the house is George Bentley stepson of Ann.

Steven

[mothball]

How rude of me, sorry here is the reference for the 1861 Letita Tomlins

RG9 Piece 1848 Folio 22 Page 23

This is the one where she is a Fundholder

[kneller1980]

18 Feb 1810 Geo., a bastard child of Letitia Downton.

condover....

oh deary me!!!!

[osprey]

at the risk of sounding like a broken record, the Letitia who is a fundholder is unmarried and NOT the one who was married to Humphrey Tomlins. Possible baptism for Letitia Tomlins dau of Richard & Martha 4/7/1793 in Leebotwood IGI batch P006601

There's another one   

Eliza dau of Letitia Downton bp 25/8/1816 Berrington IGI batch C008712

[kneller1980]

awww thanks, i think i quite liked the idea of having a relative with a bit of money-yet same old mine end up in the workhouse

i've got an ancestry world subscription due to me having german heritage as well and half the stuff hasn't turned up on there BUT i have found a members tree who list Letitia Downton and her son George and it goes back on that line to 1260!!! i'm not getting my hope up until i'm a 100% sure but has anyone come across anymore letitia downtons? it seems an uncommon name.

soooo 2 children with no father listed...she was a brave women for those days! i'm going to have to hunt them down and see if i can find any info on george and eliza.

thanks