William Edgar

[morgany]

I need help please to find out about William Edgar/Edger/Edgers.  He was married to Ann Wilson at Flimby in 1803 and together they had 7 children -Peter (ch 1804), George (1812), John (1814), ? George (1816), William Wilson (1818) and David (1821-1823).  I am desperate to find out more about William and his wife Ann (more especially William) such as date of birth, place of birth and if possible, his parents names.  Is there anyone out there can help me.  I have already received some good help to get this far but as I have an 83 year old mother and 85 year old aunt waiting for news on their roots, I am sure you can appreciate time is of the essence.  I will at some stage be going to the Records office but that is out of the question as I am currently nursing a broken leg (rugby at my age !!!) Many thanks in advance to anyone that can help me.

Morgany
aka Tricia

[bobgraham]

William and ann married november 10th 1803 under licence so I suspected an imminent arrival but couldn't spot any in the year afterwards. Have you got the birth parish for Peter? they could have moved back to one of thems parish (sorry about the english).
 If you go to www.cumberlandroots.co uk and hunt in adjacent parishes you may find an edgar or two. I fear there are too many wilsons to trace ann without better info.
bob

[morgany]

Hi, thanks for the help.  Peter was christened at St. Michael's in Workington, as were the subsequent children so it would appear that is where the family took up residence after they were married.  I am assuming that Ann was from Flimby as it was usual for a couple to marry in the parish of the bride (I thnk) but I have searched on IGI and Ancestry UK for William and although there are three in the 1841 census (all living in Cumberland) I cannot see which is the right one - if it is any of these.  I feel as if I have reached a dead end. 
Many thanks in advance for any help you can give

Morgany
aka Tricia

[bobgraham]

Tricia, I may be hindering rather than helping cos none of the following is edgers - nearly all edger.
www.cumberlandarchives.co.uk only have workington marriages but I figured out that if william came from workington he might have siblings who married there about the same time.
George, mason marries(m) Mary Dixon 12-7-1800
Edward Jordan, waggoner,27,m. Margaret, 23, Harrington 3-7-1803
John Mcdonald,35,w, miner m. Mary,w, 28 30-3-1807
Joseph , mason m Ann Barwise 8-6-1797

Which took me to Harrington to see if there was Magt family.
Thomas, labourer m. Catherine Mitchinson 15-10-1778

If you cross these with IGI there are 2 possibilities in Harrington 1779 (but this is submitted) and 1786 (too late for us and he seems to have married Mary Batey in 1809(both extracted).
If you then try IGI for parents (names but no other fields) you get 2 "families" - 1 1828 to 1842 and the other much later but before the 1881 census.
You may want to chop up the above and feed it to mum and aunty in little bits although we still use my mother (at 87) as our first line of enquiry. For instance Fathers oldest sister was not grandads but "that ginger cobbler from Senhouse st"!
good luck
bob

[morgany]

Yes, I know what you are saying about the Edgers/Edger bit but I think he lost the 's' of somewhere - the other problem is that there seems to be a little million Edgards/Edgers/ etc in Cumberland - I think they originated from Scotland and obviously someone had a bike !!
Anyway, you weren.t hindering with the info, it appears that these people were William's siblings (or at least some of them, but I am still desperate to know William's date of birth and his parents names (and if possible his place of birth).  Unfortunately I have run as much as I can past mother and aunty - they haven't a clue really they can't seem to see past the family in the 1900's in Co. DUrham and they can't grasp things unless they are written down in front of them.  But I shall soldier on.  Any further help would be very gratefully received - the info provided so far has been great and has been added to the tree...
Many thanks
Tricia

[bobgraham]

Well if it helps these seem to be the families of the various marriages with the christening year following
Thomas and Catherine Mitchinson(15-10-1778) Jonathan 83, william 86, john89, elizabeth 93, george 95, peter 98 and james 1800
George and Mary Dixon (12-7-1800) david 01, jane 03, mary 05, dorothy and george 08, george 11 and robert 13.
Joseph and Ann Barwise (8-6-1797) mary 98, david 99, joseph 03, edward 06 and james 08
Edward Jordan and margaret (3-7-03) edward 04, catherine 06, thomas 08, thomas 11, john 14, william 17, and george 19.
Couldn't find a family for John Mcdonald and mary in cumberland despite trawling 3800 names on my dial up commodore 64 (only joking)
bob

[morgany]

That was absolutely brilliant - thank you so much.  You are obviously an expert in this field and I have found your information invaluable.  As a result of your last post I have now moved very quickly and I have ascertained that Willliam's father was Thos. Edger born/ch 1755 in Workington.  Thos's father was one Jonathan Edger born/ch 1717 in St. Bees. BUT - guess what - hit a wall again.  It would seem that Jonathan's father was Robert but there are three to chose from and all born around 1652 but I feel that if any of those are the right Robert it would make him quite old when he fathered the children (Jonathan and his siblings) as their ch dates range from 1709 to 1722.  What do you think? 

Kind regards
Tricia

[bobgraham]

will have a look at them tonight but in the meantime
William 22, mariner m. Mary Batey of Camerton 29-4-09
Jonathan,24, miner m. Mary Ray, 20, 28-10-1809
Peter 24, ropemaker m. Sara Johnson,w,6-2-1820
All 3 of them Thomas & Catherines I would say - the ages are often a year or so out.
On a quick look the only reference I have for St. Bees is a Jane Edgar of St. Bees marrying Thomas Bell at Harrington 27-5-1673. Now I'm fairly sure of my date but on IGI you will get 3 different submissions by 3 different people probably and 2 of the dates are 23-6-1673 which is why I said you have to be a bit careful on submissions.  But it at least shows there was a family in St Bees
I've also got a marriage for an Elizabeth to a Thomas Gordon 22-9-28 but no age so she could the only elizabeth we have could have married late (35ish) or we are missing an elizabeth.
Speak soon
bob

[bobgraham]

Sorry can't find any st. bees records on line without paying. So. Don't know about Roberts birthday but found a convenient marriage to Mary Crosthwaite 16-10-1716 - the year before jonathans birth and 2 potential siblings in Hannah 1721 (submitted) and Mary 1722.
There is another marriage in 1695 to a mary Dixon but I can't find any children likely to spring from it.
Also found potential siblings for Thomas in phoebe 8-9-67 and may 14-8-70 although you would think more children might have been around. I assumed Jonathan married Elizabeth Lash (bp24-3-1718) on 20-1-1739 but that makes her 50 when she has may and 15 years before Thomas was born. If you can get to the records I look for them coming off the belt end every 2 years even if there is the odd 1 missing due miscarriage or perinatal.
bob