1871 or 1881 lookup - Peters

[polarbear]

Hello everyone

Here are the 1871 Census results for the Peters family......

Andrew Peters 31 b. Ontario Farmer Origin English
Melinda 32 b. Ontario Origin English
Frederick 4 b. Ontario Origin English
Polly Ann 2 b. Ontario Origin English

Religion E Methodist for all

So.....no Annie Ruth but there is the 'Ann' with the Polly

Living next door...

John Peters 53 b. Ontario Farmer Origin English
Polly Ann 52 b. Ontario Origin Unknown
Benjamin 30 b. Ontario Cooper Origin English
Amelia Babcock b. Ontario  Origin German.......no relationship given but given the Babcock on the marriage of the Anson and Emma (posted earlier) is perhaps related? (I suspect the 'Betsy' could perhaps be 'Polly'?)

Religion E Methodist for all

District Addington (064)
Sub-district Olden (M)
p.15

Anson and Emma?

Anson Peters 26 b. Ontario Labourer Origin Dutch?
Emma 26 b. Ontario Origin Dutch
Howard 4 b. Ontario Origin Dutch

Religion E Methodist for all

District Lambton (004)
Sub-district Enniskillen (B)
p. 45

Looks like the couple from the marriage posted earlier? but 'Origin Dutch' adds an interesting twist.

Regards, Polarbear

[Jacquie in Canada]

Polarbear, I think you've proven that Andrew and Anson definitely are not the same person.

On the 1881 Canada census for Olden, Addington County, there is a Polly Ann, 12, born Ontario and Harry, 5, born Ontario in the household of John and Polly Ann Peters. Here's a link to the images (John, Polly Ann and Harry are the last entries on the bottom page of the first link and Polly Ann, 12, is listed first on the top page of the second link):
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008175259.jpg
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008175260.jpg

I think it might be helpful to summarize a little.

It appears that Malinda Wagar first married Andrew Peters about 1865 and had the following children:
Frederick, born abt 1867
Polly Ann (Anna Ruth?), born abt 1869

So far we don't have enough information to know whether Harry, born about 1876 who is on the 1881 census was their child or not.

Malinda next married Anson Peters on 8 Apr 1876 and had the following children:
Alwilda, born about 1877
May, born about 1878
Frances, born about 1879
John, born abt 1880
Effie Maude, born 24 May 1883
Durwood, born 28 Oct 1884
Arthur, born Feb 1888
Norah, born about 1891

There is a possible first marriage for Anson to Emma Bunder and they had a son named Howard, born about 1867.

The parents of Emma Peters on the 1880 census are not known but it's possible she was a daughter from Anson's first marriage (if that is the same Anson).

The family originated in Ontario, lived in North Dakota before finally settling in Alberta. It's too bad the 1890 US census was destroyed as that would have been a help.

Jacquie

[polarbear]

Great summary Jacquie

Mulling.....

The births for the children listed in the summary are reasonably well-founded, being from census and registration info. The births for most of these children are very different on Brant's website and less likely to be correct therein, IMHO.

Looks like Emma, who is with Anson and Melinda in 1880, might be his daughter from his first marriage? Wonder what happened to Howard b. 1867 (assuming his father was this Anson)? Haven't been able to trace him forward.

Haven't had any luck tracing Harry forward from 1881 either. His birth reg'n should solve his parentage. Can we find it?

Then there are the missing children....can we find birth or census info for them?

Sure is an interesting thread!

Polarbear





 

[Jacquie in Canada]

Some of the birth years at his site are out. He lists a couple of names with email addresses as his source of some of the information. It appears that the Peters family is a not a direct connection so he may not have done much personal research. I sent a message to him through his website telling him about this thread since there does appear to be some new information that we have found on the family.

There is a picture of the grave of Anna and Titus Card at the site and it has a birth year for Anna of 1870 but grave markers have been known to have the wrong dates on them. They were buried in the Camrose Cemetery. Here's a link:
http://bgibbard.ca/genealogy/showmedia.php?mediaID=1576&medialinkID=2574

On the 1881 census, I did find an Andrew Peters, 24, born Ontario, servant in Ernesttown, Lennox County. He was listed last in the household of Anson (50, Ontario) and Eliza J. (40, Ontario) Peters. Here's a link to the image at Library and Archives Canada:
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e327/e008174659.jpg
Besides being listed last, Andrew's religous affiliation (E Methodist) is different from this Anson and family (Church of England) so I think it is a safe bet that Andrew wasn't part of their immediate family.

I've found a death in the Ontario deaths database for Emily Peters who died 25 Aug 1875 in Olden, Frontenac County. Her age is listed as "not given" and the informant is listed as Anson Peters, husband of deceased. It seems quite possible that Emma and Emily are one and the same.

I also found a death registration listed at LDS Labs site for John A. Peters, son of Anson Peters and "Milando Wagner" who died 1 Jan 1938 in Mount Vernon, Skagit County, Washington. There isn't an image but odds are pretty darn good that "Milando Wagner" is Malinda Wagar.

I've found three of the children on the 1900 US census in McHenry County, North Dakota as follows:

Schuyler Wagor, head, 32, married 2 years, born Dec 1867 in Canada, parents born Canada, immigrated 1892, farmer 
Effie Wagor, wife, 17, married 2 years, mother of 1 child, 1 alive, born May 1883 in North Dakota, parents born Canada 
Grace M Wagor, daughter, 7 months, born Oct 1899 in North Dakota, father born Canada, mother born North Dakota 
Norah D Peters, sister-in-law, 9, born Apr 1891 in North Dakota, parents born Canada 
John Peters, brother-in-law, age is listed as unknown and the rest of the columns are blank.

This would be easier if this family didn't seem to have such an aversion to registering BMD events. 

Jacquie

[Bearluvin]

The family being in North Dakota makes sense as I have located Titus and Annie there in 1900 too.  This is what I have so far for Titus:

1891 census (30) married to Annie (22) with son Hugh (1) Hinchinbrooke, Addington, Ont,

1900 census in North Dakota, McHenry County with his wife and 2 children (Hugh and Jennie) Note:  There were a lot of Wagar families living in same town.  There is also a Levi Card age 33 living in same town.

1906 census (40) in Strathcona, Alberta, Canada wife Annie and children (Hugh, Jennie, Luella)

1911 Canada census Alberta, Canada Town of Wetaskewin with
Wife Annie (42), Dau Jennie (17) and Dau Luella (5)
1911 / Alberta (Province) / Strathcona (District)/ 47 Wetaskiwin (Subdistrict)/ page 33

Titus and Annie Card came to the Ferry Point District about 1915.  They lived on the SW 4, 44, 18 where Titus farmed and worked in the coal mine.  It was on this place that Titus built a barn on the hillside.  The bottom half is cement and that barn is still standing to this day (Rudy Gerber's site).  From there they moved to Meeting Creek where they lived until their deaths a few months apart in 1938.  They are both buried in the Camrose Cemetery.

Name: Card, Titus L.
Dates: 1859-1938   
Cemetery: As The Wheel Turns Camrose
Cemetery number: 324
Plot Number: C 46 NNE
Legal description of cemetery location: SE-34-046-20-W4
(see pic of headstone)

Annie is the mystery.  I went to my local library here in Chicago to access Ancestry.com.  On the marriage record for Anson and Malinda Peters he is listed as a bachelor and she as a widow.  So she did marry another Peters prior to Anson.  So unless his being listed as a bachelor is a mistake it makes this all the more confusing. 

Thanks so much for you help on this!!!

Donna

[jorose]

Unfortunately they seem to have managed to avoid the 1885 ND census as well:
http://library.ndsu.edu/db/census/

http://library.ndsu.edu/db/naturalization/
 - but Anson Peters is listed in the naturalization records.

Brief mention of Titus:
http://www.ourroots.ca/e/page.aspx?id=3537743

[Bearluvin]

I am still trying to sort out all of this information.  You guys are good!  Thanks so much for your help.  I think once I print it out and start entering the data into my family tree program I will be able to make sense of it.  One thing that's confusing is that Anson was listed as a bachelor at the time of his marriage to Malinda.  I'm wondering if Polly Ann and Annie Ruth are the same?  The dates seem right, but the names so different.  Also the Harry and Polly Ann on the 1881 Canada census for Olden, Addington County would be Anson and Andrews brother and sister, right?

[Jacquie in Canada]

One thing that's confusing is that Anson was listed as a bachelor at the time of his marriage to Malinda. 

That's not unusual. I've come across widowers calling themselves bachelors and widows calling themselves spinsters on registrations for second (or third) marriages many times over the course of researching my lines and helping others with theirs.

I'm wondering if Polly Ann and Annie Ruth are the same?  The dates seem right, but the names so different.

Polarbear and I both think that is a distinct possibility. The names aren't so different if she went by Ann when she was older. Maybe she didn't like the name Polly so she decided to call herself Anna Ruth instead.

Also the Harry and Polly Ann on the 1881 Canada census for Olden, Addington County would be Anson and Andrews brother and sister, right?

The younger Polly Ann on the 1881 census was the daughter with Andrew and Malinda on the 1871 census. We're not sure whose son Harry was (could be either Andrew's or Anson's or one of their siblings). Polly Ann (Anson and Andrew's mother) would have been 57 when Harry was born so it's extremely unlikely that she was the mother. It's possible that after the death of Andrew that Polly Ann was sent to live with his grandparents. The same for Harry although, again, we aren't sure about his parentage.

Jacquie

[Bearluvin]

Thanks for your patience with me on this.  Questions from the 1871 census:
I am wondering if the Anson and Andrew found are the right ones.  Melindas age is 10 years off.  This could just be an error, but then I am wondering what would have happened to the children listed. It's possible that the Polly Ann shown on the 1881 is now living with her grandparents as the age is the same. But what about Frederick and Howard?  And where did Harry come from?