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Offline denise westall

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pregnancy outside of marriage
« on: Saturday 19 February 05 17:25 GMT (UK) »
I would welcome views on this please.  My grandmother was born in Broughton Gifford, a small village in Wiltshire.  Her mother a Caroline Tylee (nee Timbrell) was a widow aged 39 years old, who had maried a batchelor William Gerrish, less than a month before her birth.  Given that she had been married a couple of years before the birth of her first child, and appears to have been from a christian and respectable family, would this not have been frowned on in those days and an undesirable position for a woman of that age?  Or was it not a problem in working class country communities?  Incidentally, her first husband had died several years before, so the child was not his.  The man she married William Gerrish was violent, drank and gambled,  and there seems something odd about the whole thing.  My grandmother told my uncle that there was something about the family she had never told him, but then decided not to tell.  I am wondering if one of her older daughters (my grandmothers step sisters) had fallen pregnant and Caroline had brought my grandmother  up as her own, and registered the birth in her name.  I know I shall never find this out, but was wondering what people know about the views of unmarried mothers at that time. Also was it common for people to lie when registering births.  Any ideas welcome!
Gerrish, Broughton Gifford, Whitely and Melksham in Wiltshire .
Tylee and Timbrell at Atworth, in Wiltshire.
Timbrell of Nettleton and Yatton Keynall, in Wiltshire

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Re: pregnancy outside of marriage
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 February 05 17:39 GMT (UK) »
hi Denise

I have also come across this lots of times with my search, marriages just before baby born, mothers bringing up daughters babies etc etc

But the one I can not get my head around is my G-G grandmother having three children in 1870's ,not being married, and coming from like you said ,church going recpectable family. How did she manage to bring them up....? I always thought that you were sent to the workhouse to bring such disgrace to the family

Someone must be able to explain it all
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Re: pregnancy outside of marriage
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 February 05 17:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi, denise. I think i have found something similar in my research.

I have found that my great grandad(JOHN WOOD) had two brothers and a sister.
But in the censuses his brothers were down as WOOD then STRANGE then back to WOOD again. No dad in censuses already dead, but could have been there father. There is also a discrepancy in his mothers age which looks like they were lying on census. I think she was only 15 when had the first two children. She wasnt on the first census they appear in and they were living with their granma but has them as boarders. 10 years later they have their grans surname, so looks like she brought them up. Then 10 years after that she is dead and they have their mothers name again. I have asked a similar question to you and i think it was easy to lie in the censuses, not too sure about registering births, but you dont even have the info checked now do you so i cant imagine they would have been too bothered 100 years ago or so.

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Re: pregnancy outside of marriage
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 February 05 20:36 GMT (UK) »

But the one I can not get my head around is my G-G grandmother having three children in 1870's ,not being married, and coming from like you said ,church going respectable family. How did she manage to bring them up....? I always thought that you were sent to the workhouse to bring such disgrace to the family


I have had a similar case with a great great grandmother who had 4 children outside of marriage (one of whom went on to have a illegitimate child of her own). My Gt gt Gran then married a neighbour, a widower, in 1884. (He had been registered blind on the 1871 census). She went on to have 3 further children. She was never in a workhouse as far as I am aware (and curiously, I can find no trace of her parents marriage either).

On the birth certificate of one of her legitimate children, the local registrar put down my gt gt Gran's maiden name, before deleting it and putting the correct name!

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Re: pregnancy outside of marriage
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 February 05 21:30 GMT (UK) »
I was interested to read the responses to my posting, and to hear other people's stories, and the way mistakes on documents can occur as well.  It really must have been hard for single mothers, and I guess people, did what ever they could to survive and look after themselves and their families.
Gerrish, Broughton Gifford, Whitely and Melksham in Wiltshire .
Tylee and Timbrell at Atworth, in Wiltshire.
Timbrell of Nettleton and Yatton Keynall, in Wiltshire

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Re: pregnancy outside of marriage
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 February 05 21:49 GMT (UK) »
Hi Denise
I thought you may be interested to read an article about this topic.  If you go to
www.loyno.edu and then do a search on 'Bastardy' the page you are looking for is 'Bastardy and Baby Farming in Victorian England' - it's an interesting read!!  Thankfully times have changed.
As for telling lies in the census records - I certainly don't think they had a problem with that - I have a family who are different ages on every single census I've looked at!  and it's not just the women!   ;)
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Re: pregnancy outside of marriage
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 February 05 22:28 GMT (UK) »
Hello Jax,
I went straight to that web site and read the article, and was amazed.  I had no idea that all of that went on.  However one can see why women were forced to take any action necessary to help themselves out of that situation.  Yes thank goodness things are now very different.  Found it very interesting, it gave me a real sense of how things were at that time.  Will read it iver again now!
Gerrish, Broughton Gifford, Whitely and Melksham in Wiltshire .
Tylee and Timbrell at Atworth, in Wiltshire.
Timbrell of Nettleton and Yatton Keynall, in Wiltshire

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Re: pregnancy outside of marriage
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 20 February 05 15:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi Denise

Despite the "christian and respectable"families of past eras, you will probably find many instances of pregnancy without or prior to marriage. Within my family research todate I have found 2 children to single mothers, one of whom was initially raised believing she was the child of her grandmother, the other was in the early 1700s and I have no idea  by whom / how the child was raised. The church registers seem to invariably state "Baptised the bastard child of ....". I have however, found many first children of a partnership conceived prior to the marriage, with the marriage occuring 1-4 months before the birth of the child. It was probably luck, rather than any morality issues that the number wasn't larger.

When researching some convict ancestors, I found it interesting that regardless of the mother's married state, the children of female convicts were often recorded with their mothers maiden name (perhaps to ensure they were kept with their rightful mother).

Trish
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