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Re: rhuddlan baptism
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 16 April 09 23:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Jo,
Thank you so much for your reply,and the great information about Maria and Edward.although on Sarah'marriage cert.she names har father as being James a Whitesmith.Sarah named one of her daughters Maria,she died as an infant,she was the twin to my uncle David.Lets hope this new information will give us the breakthrough we have been dying for.
          Warmest Regards   Kidsnana

Could you post the details of Sarah's marriage please :)

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« Reply #10 on: Friday 17 April 09 03:23 BST (UK) »
Hi again Paul,
They were married in the Parish Church Tremeirchion on July 22 1905.
Robert Thomas 25 Bachelor,labourer,Residence Pant yfan Father Thomas Thomas Schoolmaster Cwm.
Sarah Ann Davies 28 spinster,(no profession) Residence Pwll-y-Carw Father James Davies, Whitesmith.
Witnesses John and Mary Elizabeth Evans.
I hope this will be of some help.
A million thanks for your help,we have been looking for her parents for 5 years.
   warmest regards  Kidsnana
Thomas,Ellis,Roberts  Davies N.Wales
Jones,Miller,Fulton ,Liverpool.
Bryncroes Sarn Rhiw,Cwm Dyserth,LLannasa.

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« Reply #11 on: Friday 17 April 09 10:23 BST (UK) »
Hello again,

The marriage of Maria Ellis to Edward Davies was on BMD.

I cannot find anything for James Davies married to someone called Ellis which looks likely as being correct.

I think this is something you will need to pursue at the appropriate Record Office and view the Parish Registers. The ROs are at Hawarden for Flintshire and Ruthin for Denbighshire.

Good luck!

Jo

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Re: rhuddlan baptism
« Reply #12 on: Friday 17 April 09 14:20 BST (UK) »
       On North walesbmd 1870 it is showing Maria Ellis marrying a John Parry.  Denbigh
St Hilary Register is at Denbigh South (Ruthin.)
Freebmd shows two lots of people. Thanks for that info on where to look. Thanks for your kind reply.
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Re: rhuddlan baptism
« Reply #13 on: Friday 17 April 09 16:58 BST (UK) »
Hello Kidsnana, I found a baptism for a Sarah Ann Davies in Tremeirchion 1877 who's father is a Whitesmith :) but his name is Robert Edward :(

Sep 9 1877. Sarah Ann Davies d/o Robert Edward & Martha. abode, Pembroke Place Liverpool. Fathers Occ Whitesmith.

I couldn't see anything for her in the baptisms for Rhuddlan, Dyserth, Cwm, Trelawnyd(Newmarket) or St Asaph. :(

Let me know if you think where see might be hiding :-\

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« Reply #14 on: Friday 17 April 09 17:36 BST (UK) »
Hi Paul,
I will have to go through my papers,but i think that that Sarah died a year later.Thank you so much for looking for me,i am beggining to think we will never find her.I know she is hiding somewhere, probably in plain sight.lol I wonder why there is no record of a baptism for my dad,Thomas,maybe they baptised David because Maria died.
Poor little thing,just an infant.I have David's P.O.W papers and he states his mothers maiden name as Ellis,and yet at 6 she was on the cencus as Davies,i just dont know.
Anyway,keep your eyes open for me.
Thanks again,warmest regards,Kidsnana
Thomas,Ellis,Roberts  Davies N.Wales
Jones,Miller,Fulton ,Liverpool.
Bryncroes Sarn Rhiw,Cwm Dyserth,LLannasa.

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« Reply #15 on: Friday 17 April 09 23:28 BST (UK) »
Ive made a note and I'll keep me eyes peeled for her ;)

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« Reply #16 on: Saturday 18 April 09 02:10 BST (UK) »
Thanks Paul,
I have had so much help from R.C. and when i saw your name i was so exited,i thought i bet Paul can do it.You seem to have so much success finding people for people.
Anyway,have a great weekend,and thanks again.
Warmest Regards,Kidsnana
Thomas,Ellis,Roberts  Davies N.Wales
Jones,Miller,Fulton ,Liverpool.
Bryncroes Sarn Rhiw,Cwm Dyserth,LLannasa.

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Re: rhuddlan baptism
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 18 April 09 10:41 BST (UK) »
Hello again,

The marriage at St Asaph in the September quarter of 1870 is Volume 11b Page 475.

When I looked at this, I have to say that for a while I did wonder whether the mother of Sarah Ann Davies was Mary A, daughter aged 23, who was with her mother, Maria Ellis in the 1881. Her surname has not been shown on this. I think you should bear in mind that possibility. It may be significant that these three are together on the 1891 as well. Was Sarah illegitimate as suggested by the mother's name of Ellis on the POW papers?

Also, the fact that he has given his father's name as James Davies does not necessarily mean that he was married to his mother. I have this myself with a gt gt grandfather. His mother was Sarah Kerridge, he was illegitimate, on his marriage certificate, father's name given as George Baxter. His name was Henry Kerridge, so he took his mother's name.

On the evidence available, I would tend to think that Sarah's mother was Mary A Ellis. You would need to get her birth certificate to be certain and there are a number of that name and year. Could prove costly!

You say that there is no record of baptism for your Dad. Do you mean baptism, or registration of his birth? The baptism could be elusive as there were so many non conformist chapels in that area. Very few of these have put their records in the public domain. I have encountered this problem myself. Another factor could be his illegitimacy, may be he was not baptised.

Best wishes,

Jo