Harrold/Lawson and Grigor/Norrie

[emjaye]

Any information re the previous generations of the following:

Alexander Harrold (1791-1831) and Janet Lawson (1800/3-1881). Married Rafford 21 Mar 1818, children James, Ann, Elizabeth, Alexander.

John Grigor ( -1856) and Christina Norrie (1808?-1871 Leanock, Dallas, Elginshire).  Children William and Elizabeth.

Many thanks

emjaye

[KirstyG]

From Libindx ref  NM226781

Alexander may be son of James Harrold of Dallas.

There is a possible birth listing on the IGI in 1890 in Dallas to James and Jean HARRELD.

Also listing for Janet Lawson NM076104
Possibly born Greenock to Alexander Lawson and Janet Cramond,

Would recommend researching other sources to verify as data in Libindx can be submitted/wrong. May be worth contacting them directly to find out what info they have direct from source. I am told they are very helpful.

Kirsty

[emjaye]

Thank you Kirsty, I'll try to verify.

emjaye

[KirstyG]

John Grigor and Christina Norrie have a headstone listed on the Moray Burial ground website
http://www.mbgrg.org/photo_index/index.htm
Stone Number 037 from Dallas

There are a lot of other Grigor headstones in Dallas Churchyard, these may help you sort out the families.

Kirsty

[caljam371]

From Alexander Harrold's death entry -

Alexander Harrold, Chelsea Pensioner, Married to Janet Lawson
1874 June Thirtieth 0h 30m AM, Lady Lane, Elgin
M
84 yrs
Alexander Harrold, Mason (deceased)  Jane Harrold MS Harrold (deceased)
Apoplexy 4 days As cert by G Duff(y?)
James Harrold, Son, Green _____ (Can't read it)

I also have
Reference   Title                                              Date   
AD14          Crown Office precognitions   1801-1900   
AD14/28   Crown Office precognitions, 1828   1828   
Country code   GB   
Repository code   234   
Repository   National Archives of Scotland   
Reference   AD14/28/275   
Title           Precognition against Alexander Garrow, Alexander Harrold for the crime of fraud   
Dates           1828   
Access status   Open   
Level             File   
Finding aids   19th Century Solemn Database   
Related record   JC26/1828/117         
Accused         Alexander Garrow, Age: 37, shoemaker, Address: Cluny, Rafford Alexander Harrold, Age: 38, shoemaker, formerly soldier, 92nd regiment, Address: Dallas, Elginshire

Reference   Title                                               Date   
JC26             High Court of Justiciary processes   1550-1997   
Country code   GB   
Repository code   234   
Repository   National Archives of Scotland   
Reference   JC26/1828/117   
Title                Trial papers relating to Alexander Garrow, Alexander Harrold for the crime of fraud. Tried at High Court, Inverness
Dates            17 Sep 1828   
Access status   Open   
Level            File   
Finding aids   19th Century Solemn Database   
Related record   AD14/28/275   
Accused   Alexander Garrow, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - 7 years
 Alexander Harrold, Verdict: Guilty, Sentence: Transportation - 7 years

ALEXANDER HARRELD
Birth:09 MAY 1790
Christening:10 MAY 1790 Dallas, Moray, Scotland
Parents:JAMES HARRELD JEAN HARRELD

Caljam371

[Forfarian]

Any information re the previous generations of the following:
Alexander Harrold (1791-1831) and Janet Lawson (1800/3-1881).
John Grigor ( -1856) and Christina Norrie (1808?-1871 Leanock, Dallas, Elginshire)

As Janet, John and Christina all died after 1855, their parents' names should be on their death certificates. Have you seen these?

[Forfarian]

Would recommend researching other sources to verify as data in Libindx can be submitted/wrong. May be worth contacting them directly to find out what info they have direct from source.

It's always recommended to research other sources for anything found in a non-primary source, e.g. IGI/Ancestry/LIBINDX/internet.

On LIBINDX, the sources are all listed - click on Advice/Help and then Abbreviations and you will see where any given information comes from.

Sometimes even primary sources can be wrong, e.g. discrepancy between date on a gravestone and date in a certificate or parish register, wrong age or birthplace in a census, or informant getting names of a deceased's parents wrong. If you find anything on LIBINDX which you think is incorrect, please get in touch and tell them so that it can be corrected if/as appropriate.

[emjaye]

Many thanks, ladies, I have learnt a great deal since 2009.  Christina Norrie turned out to be a wrong call.  However, on Alexander's death certificate his parents are listed as Alexander and Jane.  Informant is son James.  So maybe Alexander Harreld is a different person.  How interesting that Alexander was a convict.  I have not been able to find him in any of the Australian convict records however, under different spelling variations, so maybe he never actually arrived.  That will be the next puzzle to sort out.

[Forfarian]

on Alexander's death certificate his parents are listed as Alexander and Jane.  Informant is son James.  So maybe Alexander Harreld is a different person. 

It wouldn't be unheard of for an informant to get a grandparent's name wrong.