Cameron, Frederick James

[emjaye]

Frederick James Cameron, born Jun 1883, Elgin  (illigitimate) Parents listed as Robert Cameron and Martha McKenzie.  Does anyone have any information about Robert and Martha? Thank you.

[CaroleW]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat

Not a lot of info to go on really so I can only offer this 1881 entry as a possibility for Robert - purely because of his age and he was single.  However there were also 2 married Robert Cameron's in Elgin in 1881

6 Lady Lane

Jessie Harrold 47  b Dallas Elgin
Janet Harrold 78  b Greenock - mother
Robert Cameron 24  son b Elgin occ cloth dyer
John Harrold 14  son b Elgin
Alexander Harrold 11  son b Elgin
George Harrold 6  son b Elgin
Alexander Stronach 25  nephew b Elgin
Elgin ED 1 Page  17 Line 18


Martha is easier - address Wester Alves

James Ellis 36  b Alves
Mary Ellis 25  b Drainie
William Ellis 2  b Alves
Martha McKenzie 19 b Drainie - sister in law
Robert Cameron Under 1 Month b Alves nephew
John Fraser 27  b Grantown - boarder
Alexander Fraser 19  b Cawdor - boarder
Alves ED 2 Page:  2 Line 7


 

[CaroleW]

I reckon these are the 2 boys on the 1891 census

Hill Terrace 6 Elgin

Jessie Harrold 50  b Dallas Elgin
John   24  b Elgin
George 16  b Elgin
Robert Harrold 10 g/son b Elgin
Frederick Harrold 7  g/son b Elgin
Elgin ED 1 Page  15 Line 14

[CaroleW]

I can't find Robert in 1891- there is an entry for a Robert Cameron b Elgin 1859 but it is a different person

No trace of Martha either - she is not with the Ellis's

[CaroleW]

From the IGI at www.familysearch.org

MARTHA WOOD MC KENZIE   Birth:  29 APR 1861   Drainie, Moray, 
Father:  JAMES MC KENZIE   Mother:  MARY DUNBAR GATHERER

JAMES MACKENZIE  Spouse:  MARY GATHERER 
Marriage:  20 DEC 1852   Elgin Moray
 
All the following IGI entries have the same parents and were in Drainie
   
FREDERICK JAMES GATHERER MAC KENZIE 
Birth: 21 MAY 1854       
 
ISABELLA GATHERER MC KENZIE  Birth:  18 JAN 1864     

MARY WOOD MAC KENZIE   Birth:  15 OCT 1855   

JOHN GATHERER MAC KENZIE   Birth:  25 JUN 1857
     
MARGARET WOOD BRANDER MACKENZIE  Birth:  29 AUG 1859 
 
 
 
   

[CaroleW]

1861 for Pet Gaverry St Drainie

James McKenzie 39  house carpenter b Dyke Moray
Mary   37  b Duffus Moray
Fred   6 
Mary 5 
John G 3 
Margaret   1 
Jessie Campbell 17  servant b Auldearn, Nairnshire
Drainie ED 2 Page  11 Line 10

[CaroleW]

1871 for High St Drainie

Looks like mum Mary has died

James McKenzie 43  house carpenter (master)
John 13 
Margaret 11 
Martha  9 
Drainie ED 4 Page  24 Line 11

[emjaye]

Thank so much Carole.  You've definitely been a help.  Pretty sure the Janet Harrold , aged 78, listed in your 1881 census would be the grandmother of Margaret (searching for in one of my other posts) Janet's maiden name is Lawson.  She died Dec 1881 at 6 Lady Lane, Elgin.
There's definitely a connection I would think as Janet's great grandaughter Jessie (also illigitimate) married Frederick James Cameron.  The Robert Cameron (24) looks as though he was staying in the Harrold household altho I don't know why he is  listed as a "son".  This may be where he met Martha, who I have as living at 7 Lady Lane...  confusing isn't it?

emjaye

[KirstyG]

There is a listing for Robert and Martha in Libindx. It is pretty minimal, but it does state that Robert lived in Elgin and America. If he emigrated that may be why you can't find him in the later census records.

http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/mainmenu.asp

Reference No.:
    NM242485


Robert (aged 24 in 1881 census) may well be Jessie's son.

from IGI (extracted)
ROBERT CAMERON OR HARROLD
11th February 1857 Elgin

parents ROBERT CAMERON and JESSIE HARROLD



Kirsty