Richard ROBERTS 1840

[smoothrooster]

Hi,

I am trying to find out more information about my 2G Grandfather Richard Roberts. According to his marriage certificate he was 22 when he married Loveday Trudgian Ellory in Dec 1862. On the marriage cert. it shows his father's name but I am unable to work out what it is, so I am hoping that someone will be able to help. The marriage cart is too large to attach so I have attached the section with his father's name ( I can e-mail full copy if someone thinks they can help )

I am after any inforamtion regarding Richard or his father

Any help would be much appreciated

Regards

Paul

[Barbara F]

Hello Paul

The name looks like Roland.  However I can't find a Roland Richards in Cornwall in the censuses at the moment.  Also I see that Richard had died by the time of the 1871 census and that Loveday is living with her father and 7 year old son.

What was Richard's occupation on the marriage certificate?

Barbara

[Barbara F]

Another question Paul 

Who were the witnesses at the wedding?  Thay may give us some more clues.

Barbara

[smoothrooster]

Hi Barbara,

thank you for replying,

Roland was what I thought that it could be but was not sure. Have not been able to find any Roland Roberts anywhere?

Richard occupation was a sailor, on his son Richard's Marriage Cartificate it list his occupation as being in the merchant navy.

Witness at the wedding are as attached Rachael Wollcock, she married Loveday's brother at a later stage so I assume they we probably good friend and another person possibly surname of Pope but I am not to sure.

Again thank you

Regards

Paul

[Barbara F]

I suspected he was a seaman.  Unfortunately he could have come from anywhere. 

Will do a bit more hunting.

Barbara

[deb usa]

Hi all

It looks like his dad's occupation is farmer. I also cannot see a Roland anywhere. Could his name perhaps be "Richard" as well?

deb   

[Barbara F]

The results of some more research!

In 1861 there are 2 Richard Roberts Seaman of about the right age on Vessels in Cornwall.  One is born Conway, Wales and is in Par harbour.  The other is born Helston and is at St Michaels Mount.

As I have not been able to find a Richard with father Roland in Cornwall I have followed up the Welsh Richard.  Par harbour is of course also of note!

1851 Census
HO107  2519 f 116

Vattur, Eglwys Rhos

Rowland Roberts Head 54 Ag Lab b Caerhun, Caernarvonshire
Catherine Wife 45  b Pennmachur
Richd 11  Son b Llangystenin
Catherine Dau 9 b Llangystenin
Emma Dau 3  b Llangystenin
Mary Thomas 49 Visitor b Pennmachur


Deaths Dec 1855
Roberts  Rowland     Conway  11b 357

In 1861 Richard is not with Catherine his widowed mother.

What do you think?

Barbara

[Barbara F]

Here is the family in 1841

HO107 1389/4 f 6

Llan Gwstennin, Caernarvonshire

Rowland Roberts 40  Ag Lab
Cath Roberts 30 
Hannah Roberts 14 
Elizabeth Roberts 10 
Richard Roberts 1 

Barbara

[smoothrooster]

Hi,

Firstly Deb, thank you for taking the time to post I appreciate it.

Barbara, what you have found appears to be right, the fact that the 'w' was dropped on the spelling on the marriage certificate is understandable and Rowland occupation lines up also with the marriage certicate.

I appreciate the effort you have put in to helping me

Lastly could you please let me know where you found out about the information about the vessels

Again Barbara thank you for your help

Kind Regards

Paul