Was she really shot in the head?

[Suffolk Mawther]

Hi Woody,

Which book did you find with that reference please?

Just curious, we may well have it, but if we haven't it will have to go on our wish list 

Pat ...

[Suffolk Mawther]

Drapers School?

Could it be Footman Pretty, there has been a recent thread on the apprentices who lived above the store in Ipswich.

Pat ...

[Suffolk Mawther]

Hello again,

I have looked on Foxearth's web site
http://www.foxearth.org.uk/newspapers.html
and there is nothing there.

Husband suggested looking in Ipswich Journal and the Bury and Norwich Post.
He also confirmed that the Framlingham Weekly News was not printing at that time (1819).

As you have a date it might be worth asking for a look up from the newspapers on film at the SRO in Ipswich.  John has used them and they can be a pain if you are trawling through, but with a date should not be so arduous a task.

I have PMd you to sort out sending the mills articles to you, which appeared in four installments of the FDLHPSociety newsletter.

Night Night,
Pat ...

[Suffolk Mawther]

Hi Woody, found the book, it's Green's Framlingham and yes, we do have a copy 

Pat ...
off to bed now 

[Nick29]

Hi Ambly 

Fascinating!! Yes, you do have the right family. I'm amazed at what you found! Thank you so much!

Could be several possibilities.

1. It was winter and Eliza & her sister, Lucy, caught some illness and died a   
    few days apart.
2. Eliza was accidentally shot in the head and a few days later her baby sister
    happened to die, so the parents buried them together. I have 2 sisters who
    share a grave. They died 4 yrs apart.
3. 7 months after Lucy's birth seems a bit late for complications following
   childbirth. Also, they had a brother born in 1826, so their mother Lucy was
   still young enough to have children.
4. Baby Lucy was Eliza's child and her fiance did not want to marry her, so he
  "accidentally" shot her! The gun was her father's gun and it was hung above
   the fireplace. He, the fiance, reached up to get it down & the gun went off.
5. Eliza is not the person in the drawing who was shot.

I have 2 other potential girls from this family who died young. I thought it might be Eliza Kindred because she was 18 yrs old like the story.

Lucy Ann Kindred b. 17 Nov 1847 d. Oct 2, 1870 Framlingham, SFK.
Elizabeth Harriet Suckling b. 1853 d. Apr/May/Jun 1876 Steeple Bumpstead, SFK
Essex. Registration district Risbridge, Cambridgeshire.

I have not sent away for death certificates for these two, because I thought I would search out Eliza/Elizabeth Kindred first.

Thanks again for helping me!

Sandy H

There is another possibility.  Girls who became pregnant were often hidden away as soon it was obvious they were pregnant, and when the baby was born it would be brought up by its grandparents as their child.  If the girl died either in childbirth or following complications from it, some excuse would have to be found for the disappearance of the daughter.  Being shot in the head is a possible excuse. 

[Sandy H]

Hello,

Eliza Kindred died 14 Jan 1829 & was buried on 18 Jan 1829, so good news Pat, it might just be in the Framlingham Weekly News, especially if they published obits. I mean, even if she wasn't shot. I can check the other news papers, if she's not in the Fram Wkly news.

I have also searched Foxearth to no avail. I love that site! Thanks for looking for me.

The book mentioned was a "Google" book. They are digital copies of old books and free to download. I have several. They are a great find, because they are usually written 100+ yrs ago with a lot of good family history info. I see that you discovered that you have an actual hard copy of the book!

After I read your post about Draper's School, I found the thread about the apprentices and enjoyed it very much! I have done a little digging and found the 1871 Census for Frederick Kindred. He was in a draper's school at the age of 18. It was in Woodbridge, SFK. The only address said "Thoroughfare". All the students were listed as "draper's assistants.

The 1881 Census had Frederick and his future wife, Clara Suckling both listed as "draper's assistants", in fact, everyone except the poor domestic and the dog were listed as draper's assistants! Probably about 30 or 40 people. Fred was not the Head Master as I thought. This school was in Ipswich at Suffolk House on Tavern St.. When I looked at David Kindred's photos of Ipswich, I realized that Ipswich looked like a pretty good sized place, even back then. How many draper's schools do you think existed in Ipswich in the late 1800's?
Seems like it must have been all the rage to get away from Mum & Dad and live in a house full of young people! hmmmm.....just learning a trade.

I have a photo somewhere of Suffolk House. I thought it was the home of Fred and Clara! And I wasn't sure if it was in Ipswich or Haverhill. It's not a good photo, but I would say that it was taken in the 1960's, so there is a good chance that it is still there. The 1881 Cen calls it Suffolk House, so I don't think it is the same school as Footman Pretty.

It is late at night here, so I must go to bed!

Pat, enjoy your visit with your family in Framlingham! So odd. I have heard about Framlingham my whole life, I have pictures of the castle, but I have never been there. And now I know someone who is going there this weekend to visit family! How fun! The world is getting smaller!!

Night Night or Good Morning to You All!!

Sandy

[Sandy H]

Hi Nick,

I just read your post. What a chilling thought!! 

....Must go to bed, its late here.

Enjoy your day! 

Sandy

[Suffolk Mawther]

In haste, busy day today 

My husband and I and a few other folk are involved in setting up a Framlingham Photographic Archive which will be on-line later this year.

We are collating all the photographs and many letterheads of Framlingham at the moment.  We would like to have something similar to that produced by friends in Sudbury www.sudburysuffolk.co.uk/photoarchive/

Pat ...

[Sandy H]

Nice website, I'll be looking forward to seeing yours when you get it on-line!

I have a busy day ahead, too, and must peel myself away from Rootschat!!

Have Fun this weekend!

Sandy