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Re: Margaret Robb / Dalbeths Girl School
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 09 April 09 14:26 BST (UK) »
The registrar registered the birth as it seems because the whole birth cert is all in same writing, definately not Margaret Robb.

I've ordered his mother's possible birth certificate with Margaret Joseph Robb, hopefully will get an outcome.

Its all a bit tricky at this point as at this point I'm going no where unless mitchell library will have something, will have to arrange a trip down to Glasgow and hope it wont be a waste of time. :S

lil

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Re: Margaret Robb / Dalbeths Girl School
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 09 April 09 18:08 BST (UK) »
Does it say who the informant was on the BC?


What adoption society dealt with the adoption?




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Re: Margaret Robb / Dalbeths Girl School
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 09 April 09 18:29 BST (UK) »
There was no particular Adoption agency as only shows that Alexander Stone who was an solicitor at 49 Bath Street in Glasgow - the petitioners agent if that helps?

The signiture of the registrar part- was a stamp named John Little who was an assistant. Acted from the register book of births for the district of springburn. And the part who signed the certificate usually the mother, obviously wasn't her signature because the rest of the document was all the same writing. Not sure what that means either.

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Re: Margaret Robb / Dalbeths Girl School
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 15 April 09 20:25 BST (UK) »
Update;

No luck at Mitchell Library, Was there from 10 am right through till 4pm this afternoon. Couldn't find anything that was any help at all. Also that the Medical Archives had no record of her either of where my dad was supposidly born. The Mitchell Library also did say that some of the stuff were thrown out years ago to make more room.. so some missing history! But wondering if the National Archives in Edinburgh will have something that will help.

Where should I go from this as seems really stuck?

Lil


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Re: Margaret Robb / Dalbeths Girl School
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 15 April 09 20:38 BST (UK) »
How long after the birth was he adopted?

Have you checked for a baptismal record?

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Re: Margaret Robb / Dalbeths Girl School
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 15 April 09 23:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Lil

I've been following your thread hoping you would be able to break through. Such a shame that nothing came from your visit to the Mitchell Library today.

I do think you might need some specialist advice, not though the services of a genealogist necessarily. Tracing adoptions is incredibly difficult as you are finding and you need to speak to people who specialise in this area. You also need someone who understands how Catholic adoptions were arranged at that time and who are in a position to guide you to where records may be found given the information you have found to date.

It sounds like you have already gone through the due process to obtain a court order to be able to access your father's adoption papers. As you can see from the birth certificate, as with all illegitimate births, there is little information regarding the mother. You do however have additional information regarding where the mother was living at the time of the birth which could help.

Also, with the issue of the middle name of your father, Sancti has found an interesting birth entry on the registers which I believe you have ordered. There is also a possible death showing on Scotlands People for a Margaret J. Robb, other surname Borthwick, born 1927, who died in Glasgow in 1968 which might connect to this Margaret.

The problem you are going to have is how you connect this to your father. There may be something from this Margaret's parents from her birth certificate that might provide some clues....but you are still left with the big questions and how you connect this all back to your father.

There is a useful guide at the National Archives www.nas.gov.uk/guides/adoptions.asp Now, you have already obtained your father's adoption papers, but there are some helpful contact details to Associations and groups that may be able to help you further. There may be more that you can contact perhaps.

Fingers crossed for you.

Monica  :)
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Re: Margaret Robb / Dalbeths Girl School
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 15 April 09 23:30 BST (UK) »
Lil

One other important thing to remember is that Catholic records are not generally available (therefore held in the archives at the Mitchell Library). You could also try contacting:

The Arch Diocese of Glasgow.
196 Clyde Street
Glasgow
G1 4JY

Tel: 0141 226 5898
Fax: 0141 225 2600

www.rcag.org.uk

Monica
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Re: Margaret Robb / Dalbeths Girl School
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 16 April 09 01:28 BST (UK) »
Hi, See if this site for Stobhill records would be of use to use.  There is a contact e-mail address at bottom of page.

http://www.archives.gla.ac.uk/gghb/collects/hb50.html
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Donnelly,McGeown,Hughes,McCrory- Co Armagh
Hargan,Curran,Bradley,Grant,Peoples ,Patton,Dunn-Donegal
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Gill,Kane-I.O.M/England/Scotland

Murdoch,Bruce,Rankine,Ballantyne-Ayrshire
McCutchen,McAdam,Wright-Kirkcudbright,Dumfries,Ayrshire

And others

Plus all variations in spellings

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Re: Margaret Robb / Dalbeths Girl School
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 16 April 09 01:53 BST (UK) »
Hi Lil,

I had an interesting and informative conversation with a very elderly lady not that long ago whilst at Dalbeth Cemetery where she was giving me a history lesson about Dalbeth Convent and School which is where your refering.
She mentioned that the Sisters ran a Magdalene Laundry for young mothers etc and most of the children born were then adopted out.
Like the graveyard the convant and school came under the control of the Archdiocese of Glasgow so there are two places I would suggest you could try if you haven't already.

1st - The Archavist at The Archdiocese of Glasgow - 196 Clyde Street Glasgow
G1 4JY Tel: 0141 226 5898.

2nd - The records may be at Edinburgh as I believe they are in the process of digitising them.  The contact for there is Andrew Nicol Columba House, 16 Drummond Place, Edinburgh EH3 6PL. Tel Number 0131 556 3661. (Be worth speaking to him anyway as he is very helpful)

Reference is made to the Dalbeth Laundry on -
http://www.barrhead-scotland.com/Culture/Writing/barrhead_its_braw.asp

Gerry

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