Adolphus Brignall conjuror

[lizdb]

Aha - there is a Charles age 3 who IS a son of Wm and Sarah !!!!

HO107 1760 265 16
Gloucester Place Cambridge
William 24 Plumber and Glazier bn Kingsland Middx
Sarah 20
Chalres 3
Sarah A 9 mths

... strange as there is a 13 yr old as son of Hannah in 1861 and then 23 yr old married to Esther in 1871 - both in Cambridge Place

[lizdb]

In 1861, this William and Sarah are at 23 Cambridge Place (listed above) but no Charles with them.
Only contender for Charles is the one with Hannah ....

I wonder if he is NOT a son of Hannah, but another relation, just staying, and the entry is incorrect.

[Redroger]

Quite likely Lizdb, they were a very large and extended family and from what my grandmother told me before her death in 1953 they moved around within the extended family group, staying at each others houses for extended periods. Regarding the additional link on Adolphus, I was unaware that I had done this; I can't remember doing it at all. I currently have a virus (not computer!) so it does make me wonder!

[Redroger]

Mystery solved: Previously I have had more (and better) responses by posting separate queries where more than one county is involved. I can now recall it. Maybe I'm getting too old for this game!!

[lizdb]

I do hope you feel better soon.

Generally it is not such a good idea to post multiple requests asking the same thing. It means that people can spend their time looking for stuff that has already been found on a different thread, without knowing. And that is really annoying if you spend hours looking for something and then find someone else has also spent hours looking at exactly the same things following the same clues etc.

Thats why I put a link on your Cambridgeshire request, to stop anyone doing exactly the same searches that have been done on here, and wasting several hours, as they have already been done.
Hope you didnt mind.

[Redroger]

Don't mind in the least, will follow the procedure you suggest in future. Now on anti biotics!Thanks for your good wishes

[casalguidi]

Back to the original question regarding Adolphus

Adolphus (b1841 Wittersden Kent) appears on the 1881 census in Cambridge Place Cambridge, a street occupied by the very large and extended Brignell family. Does anyone know of his activities with the conjuring, and his parents?
Is the fact that he was in a street heavily populated by bearers of his family name meaningful, or just coincidental?

and looking at Tati's 1851 census entry ...........

1851
HO107/1620 141 1
Wittersham, Kent
John Brignall, head, 30, Farmer's son, b. Wittersham
Ann, wife, 36, School Mistress, b. do.
James Bourne, wife's son, 13, Errand Boy, b. Brockland
Adolphus Brignall Bourne, son, 10, scholar at home, b. Wittersham
John Tyler? Brignall, son, 5, scholar at home, b. do.
Ann Elizth Brignall, dau, 5 mo, b. do.

I think this could be John (possibly with his parents) in 1841 at Wittersham, Kent:

John BRIGNALL 55 farmer b.Kent
Mary 60 b.Kent
John 20 son b.Kent
Mary FUDGE 6 grandau not born in Kent

HO107/479 folio 28 page 4
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1851 - Mumford's, Wittersham, Kent

John BRIGNALL head mar 68 farmer of 30 acres employing 1 lab b.Wittersham Kent
Mary wife 69 b.High Halden Kent
Sarah FUDGE visitor 16 house servant b.Battle Sussex

HO107/1620 folio 131 page 12
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1861 - Mumford's Farm, Wittersham, Kent

John BRIGNALL head mar 78 farmer of 30 acres employing 2 ............ b.Wittersham
Mary W wife 79 b.High Halden Kent
Mary A grandau unm 18 b.Wittersham

RG9/509 folio 112 page 10

john BRIGNALL married Mary Wood TYLER at Wittersham 1805 http://woodchurchancestry.org.uk/midkentmarriages/index.php

Still doesn't help much but another generation back for Adolphus

Casalguidi

[Redroger]

My earliest Brignall whose place of birth is known is William (b Duxford Cambs 1789) which is in the same era as John b c1793 in Kent.William's father was James Brignell, and his mother Rachel ? I have no information on their places of birth, or age etc. John could quite possibly be a sibling or cousin of William, but as we are getting a long way back I think it will be difficult to establish. Thanks for your help. Greatly appreciated.

[Redroger]

Interestingly I find that William Brignall, son of the William b 1789 Duxford was b in London (Kensington) in 1825, I just wonder is there any known link between Brignall in Kent, and Brignall in London? The name Brignall is also spelt Brignell with no apparent consistency between the two versions.