COMPLETED * Robert McLUCKIE & family

[karenmarie]

Hi Fred,

Walter that is staying with Alexander and Janet in 1841 is possibly their son, maybe you could try tracing him.  There is a marriage for a Walter McLUCKIE and Jane LIVINGSTON (sp?) in 1835 on IGI.  Don't know if it is the right one, but she dies (the OPRS for Shotts are online, there is a link to it on rootschat in the scotland resorces forum) which would explain why he is back with parents.

The 1841 census I got was from freecen, I don't know if you are aware of it, but it is online and free (most of the 1841 scottish census and bits of the 1851).  There is probably a link for it somewhere on the site.
Karen

[fred2derf]

Hello Karen,

Thank you very much. We are slowly building up more of a picture of the family. I know about FreeCEN thanks. I've just spent yet another 30 credits on SP with my ANGEL family so now I'm waiting for a reply from Bristol RO re 2 marriages and 4 births / baptisms before I purchase more credits on SP. Meanwhile I'm working on various branches of my tree.

Regards,

Fred

[fred2derf]

Hello,

A marriage:

6 Sep 1812  Alexander McLUCKIE & Janet LIVINGSTON  Shotts, Lanark

and these McLUCKIE:

c. 22 May 1803  Margaret Alexander & Janet ALLAN    Shotts, Lanark
c. 14 Jul 1805   John       Alexander & Janet ALLAN    Shotts, Lanark
born abt  1812  Robert    Alexander & Janet   ??               , Lanark
c. 25 Jul 1813   Walter    Alexander & Janet LIVINGSTON    Shotts, Lanark
c. 16 Mar 1817  William   Alexander & Janet LIVINGSTONE  Shotts, Lanark

Walter McLUCKIE & Jane LIVINGSTONE
1 Mar 1835 Shotts, Lanark
and
Walter McLUCKIE & Jane LIVINGSTON
Mar 1835  New Monkland, Lanark

Is this the Janet aged 11 next door in 1841:

Janet McLUCKIE
c. 26 Aug 1832  Old Monkland, Lanark
Alexander McLUCKIE & Elizabeth SNADDON

Now I'm really confused.

Regards,

Fred

[karenmarie]

Hi Fred,

on the 1841 census,

Elizeabeth SNADDON  30
Elizeabeth McLUCKIE  10
George  10
Jennet  5
Alexander  2

Don't know who the Janet on the 1841 with Alexander is.  Maybe a daughter of Walter.  Not all births were recorded.

There is a birth on IGI for a Janet ALLAN McLUCKIE b1860 parents John McLUCKIE and Agnes WOODROW.  This John would have to be too young to be the son of The Janet ALLAN that was having children with Alexander McLUCKIE, but possibly a grandson.  Maybe tracing him back will help to identify family groups.  Also, some of my lines named children after family members who had just died,  which made me think have you looked for a death of a Janet McLUCKIE/ALLAN or McLUCKIE/LIVINGSTON?  Just did a free search on SP and there is a Janet McLUCKIE other name ALLAN who dies in 1865.

Karen

[fred2derf]

Hello Karen,

Thanks for your suggestion. I'll look for deaths with the combination of surnames.
One thing I did notice was that LIVINGSTON is a very common name in Lanark.

Regards,

Fred

[fred2derf]

Hello,

1851
Civil Parish: Govan
Town: Fireworks
County: Lanarkshire
Address: English Square Cathcart Road
Robert McLUCKIE head  age 39 Coal Miner Barony Glasw, Lanark
Jean McLUCKIE wife age 38 Old Monkland, Lanark
Jean McLUCKIE daur  age 14 Govan, Lanark
Alexander McLUCKIE son  age 12 Govan, Lanark
Janet McLUCKIE daur  age 9 Govan, Lanark
Margaret McLUCKIE daur  age 5 Govan, Lanark
Helen McLUCKIE daur  age 1 Govan, Lanark


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

 

Robert McCLUCKIE  b. 13 Dec 1814  c. 1 Jan 1815  Barony, Lanark
Robert McCLUCKIE & Jean BULL

Three siblings for Robert also born Barony, Lanark.

John  b. 12 Jun 1808  c. 19 Jun 1808
William  b. 20 Mar 1817  c. 13 Apr 1817 
Peter b. 1 Oct 1818  c. 8 Nov 1818 

Regards,

Fred

[fred2derf]

Hello,

If the Barony, Lanark in the census is correct then Robert's parents are not Alexander & Janet anything.

I wonder if either of these is brother John born 1808 Barony:

1841
Civil Parish: Glasgow Chalmers
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Gallougate St

MCLUCKIE John head c1811 age 30 (Umbrella J) Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE Jane wife c1816 age 25 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE John son c1839 age 2 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE David son c1836 age 5 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE Elizabeth daur c1830 age 11 Lanarkshire, Scotland
MCLUCKIE Mary daur c1840 age 1 Lanarkshire, Scotland


Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

1841
Civil Parish: Old Monkland
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Merryston Squire

MCLUCKIE John head c1811 age 30 (Collminer) Scotland
MCLUCKIE Ann wife c1811 age 30 Scotland
MCLUCKIE Nanrey daur c1837 age 4 Scotland
MCLUCKIE Jean daur c1839 age 2 Scotland
MCLUCKIE Helen daur c1840 7 mo Lanarkshire, Scotland

Fred

[MonicaL]

Hi Fred

Have you looked at the 1894 death cert for a Robert McL?

Don't discard Alexander and Janet! They are still showing in 1851 at the same address as they did in 1841, and where Robert and wife Jane Bell were also in 1841 and 1851:

Alexander McLuckie 75, coal miner, b. Larbert, Stirling 
Janet McLuckie 76, b. Larbert, Stirling
Peter Fraser 25, lodger, b. Errol, Perth
Michael Baird 10, lodger, b. Kilmarnock, Ayr

Address: Fireworks Carter Row, Fireworks, Govan

Can't see Alexander Snr in 1861 but I wonder if this is wife Janet in 1861:

Margaret Armstrong (McLuckie) 58, General Milliner, b. Shotts
Janet McLuckie 88, mother b. Larbert Stirlingshire
Hellen Armstrong 19 daughter b. Cathead, Renfrewshire
Janet McLuckie 18, niece, b. Govan
Christina McLuckie 16, niece, b. Govan

Address: Grahams Tow Fireworks, Govan

The Margaret in the entry above looks very much like the Margaret you have as born in 1803 perhaps?

Monica

[MonicaL]

Fred

I think there is some light at the end of this tunnel...until you hit the next brick wall at least 

Karen, you were spot on with that death entry for a Janet Allan McLuckie, her age shows unrecorded on the index but it is her, widow of Alexander. She died at the address that we have her on now for 1861, son John with an address in Bridgeton, Glasgow reported her death at the grand age of 95! Her parents John Allan and Margaret Simpson.

Janet Allan was the mother of your Robert. Jane Bell pre-deceased him when he died in 1894

The marriage in 1812 of an Alexander McLuckie and Janet Livingston is a bit of a red herring given the names and the location.

So, we have Alexander and Janet (Allan) born in Larbert Stirlingshire in the 1770s. We now have Janet's parents and this looks like her christening on 08 NOV 1778 in Larbert. Fred, if you do a parent search with these names there is a large number of submitted and actual extract entries for siblings.

For Alexander, you can for the time being only make best guesses at this stage. From the names we have and the children that you showed:

c. 22 May 1803  Margaret - Janet's mother
c. 14 Jul 1805   John - Janet's father
born c. 1812  Robert   

One more christening shows for them:

HELEN MCLUCKIE Christening: 24 SEP 1809 Barony, Lanark, Scotland

I can't see a marriage for Alexander and Janet Allan, but given their approx. birth years, and the earliest birth you have, would look to have been c. 1800ish. You also have the first couple of children above with Janet's parents names, so there abouts I would say.

Most of the IGI entries for births of Alexander McLuckie in the 1770s are in Larbert which won't help....

Monica