COMPLETED * Robert McLUCKIE & family

[MonicaL]

Not sure if this will help http://web.ukonline.co.uk/members/tom.paterson/deaths/DeathFrame.htm which covers a number of Stirlingshire deaths. Lots of McLuckies! It at least help to eliminate the Alexander McLuckie, son of Alexander and Helen (Cowan), from my imaginary list of possibles!

Monica

[fred2derf]

Hello Monica,

Thank you very much for all of that. I started by saying I thought Robert's parents were an Alexander and a Janet.

I'll put all this into my database and get back to you later today.

Regards,

Fred

[fred2derf]

Hello Monica,

It looks like:

Margaret  1803  Shotts
John  1805  Shotts
Helen  1809  Barony
Robert  1812  Barony
Walter  1814  Barony

I'm wondering if John is the first son ?? And if Helen is the second daughter ??

Margaret marries George ARMSTRONG 18 Jul 1823  Gorbals

John (maybe his second marriage) to Ann WATSON in 1841 Gorbals
Not sure if I'm missing any children but at the moment I have the first four as:

Alexander  b. 13 Aug 1841
Janet  b. 3 Sep 1842
Christina  b. 4 Dec 1844
Walter  b. 1 Feb 1847

1861
Address: Grahams Tow Fireworks, Govan
Margaret Armstrong (McLuckie) 58, General Milliner, b. Shotts
Janet McLuckie 88, mother b. Larbert Stirlingshire
Hellen Armstrong 19 daughter b. Cathead, Renfrewshire  ?? Cathcart, Lanark ?
Janet McLuckie 18, niece, b. Govan
Christina McLuckie 16, niece, b. Govan

Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Possible marriage (one of three) for Walter:
Spouse:  Jane LIVINGSTONE
Marriage: 1 Mar 1835  Shotts, Lanark, Scotland 

I can't explain Janet aged 11 in the 1841 census with Walter.

Regards,

Fred

[MonicaL]

I think a confusing piece of the puzzle is that the son John b. 1805 looks to have died and a second son named John was born c. 1819. I believe it is this John who reported his mother's death in 1865, he was then living in Bridgeton, Glasgow (and shows there in 1861).

I have found a tree on Ancestry from someone who is descended from this John so his line is relatively well recorded. The only two other children showing on this tree is your Robert and Walter. There is no additional information of value on either parents or Robert and Walter, except for Robert's death date in Rutherglen which matches what we now have. I think this is there only because brother John also died in Rutherglen around the same time.

John looks to have married twice. The first to Ann Watson, and the daughters Janet and Christina living with aunt Margaret in 1861 are very likely his daughters (IGI entries for them). And the second wife....I need to go back and find the details again as it was late when I was looking at this last night! Give me a moment and I'll go and pull it together.

Monica

[MonicaL]

This looks to be John (b.1819) details:


First wife: Ann Watson 1819 – 1860

Janet McLuckie 1842 – 
Christina McLuckie 1844 – 
Walter McLuckie 1847 – 
John McLuckie 1849 – 
Robert McLuckie 1851 – 
Margaret McLuckie 1853 – 

Second wife: Mary Veitch 1830 – 1903

David McLuckie 1860 – 
John McLuckie 1862 – 
Mary McLuckie 1864 – 
Jessie McLuckie 1866 – 
Robert McLuckie 1868 – 1944  This is the line being followed. Married Margaret Summers and emigrated to Auckland, New Zealand post 1901
Christina McLuckie 1870 – 
Annie McLuckie 1875 – 

Monica

[MonicaL]

Some census entries for John and family:

1851:

John McLuckie 30, coal miner, b. Govan
Ann McLuckie 32, b. Govan
Janet McLuckie 8, b. Govan
Christina McLuckie 6, b. Govan
Walter McLuckie 4, b. Govan
Mary Veitch 20, Steam Loom Weaver, b. Govan (future wife  perhaps

Address: Fireworks Garden Sq, Fireworks, Govan

1861:

John McLuckie 42, Skinner, b. Glasgow
Mary McLuckie 31, b. Edinbrugh
Netter male Walter?) McLuckie 14, skinner, b. Glasgow
Margaret McLuckie 9, b. Glasgow
David McLuckie 4 Months, b. Glasgow
David Watson 18, lodger, slater, b. Edinburgh

Address: 206 No 2 House, Bridgeton, Glasgow (Calton)


1871:

John McLuckie 51, coal miner, b. Glasgow
Mary McLuckie 40, b Edinburgh
David McLuckie 10, b. Glasgow
John McLuckie 8, b. Glasgow
Mary McLuckie 7, b. Glasgow
Robert McLuckie 2, b. Glasgow
Christina McLuckie 8 Months, b. Glasgow
John Bennet 17, lodger, coal miner, b. Collace Ayr
Robert Bennet 22, lodger, coal miner, b. Collace Ayr

Address: Mcfarlanes Land, Bothwell, Lanarkshire


Fred, hopefully you have enough here on John to be able to verify his details. A check on his death (1895-05-09 Rutherglen) or his marriage entry to Mary Veitch would let you confirm personally his parents.

Monica

[fred2derf]

Hello Monica,

Thank you very much for the additional info.  I was wondering about John's marriage to Ann because it seemed a bit late in life but explained as his first not second because of the birth date, 1819.

Re John & Ann's first child I have this one:

Alexander  b. 13 Aug 1841  c. 3 Oct 1841  Gorbals - an extracted entry

Re Janet aged 11 in the 1841 census with Walter I looked and only found this one:

Janet  c. 26 Aug 1832  Old Monkland - Alexander & Elizabeth SNADDON.

Did I mention my connection?  Robert born c1812 Barony is my GGGG grandfather. Son Alexander married an Ann MALCOLM born Largs, Ayr, and one of their daughters married a William HAMILTON born in Clonmel, Ireland.

Regards,

Fred

[kiwisouth]

Hi folks
My GGP's were Margaret Summers and Robert McLuckie. They came out to NZ about 1927 with most of their grown up children, one of whom, David Watson McLuckie was my grandfather. My Grand mother, Lilias Neil Moyies came out in 1932 after her mum died. Didn't want to leave her but followed grandad out afterwards and got married in Huntly. Margaret and Robert had many offspring as was usual in those times. I can come back to you with names another time. I don't have much info on my great uncles and aunts but I have some photos which I need to scan

[Helen_Moulden]

Hello,
It may be my Ancestry tree that you have found.
I have John Mcluckie born 1819c.
John died in 1895.  Info as follows.

John Mcluckie  coal miner
Married first to Ann Watson  2nd Mary Veitch
1895 May 9th 8.15 am  22 Harriet street, Rutherglen
Age 74
Father - Alexander McLuckie, Coal miner - deceased
Mother - Janet McLuckie  M.S. Allan - deseased
Informant - Robert McLuckie - son

also-
Married  Ann Watson  28 February 1841, Gorbals, Lanarkshire


also
Married Mary Veitch

John McLuckie coal miner age 40
Father - Alexander McLuckie coal miner dec.
Mother - Janet McLuckie  M.S. Allan dec.
Mary Veitch spinster age 30
Father - Robert Veitch
Mother - Christian/Christina Buchanan
Witness - Walter McLuckie


Ann McLuckie
Died 16 May 1860
Age - 42
Father - David Watson
Mother - Christina Watson M.S. Buchanan

Mary McLuckie died 19 December 1903 widow of John

Mary Veitch was living with John and Ann during the 1851 census.
Going by the date of the first born of John and Mary she was pregnant at the time of the death of Ann and her marriage to John in 1860.
I am still trying to find out if Mary and Ann were related as their mothers had the same maiden name or perhaps they were 1/2 sisters.

Helen
New Zealand