John BARNES & Elizabeth King ELLEN & family

[fred2derf]

Hello Ian,

I have found nothing anywhere that has the birth dates you have listed. What is the source?

Regards,

Fred

[fred2derf]

The old 'Birth' records are baptism records in most cases. For Baptists they are records of the registration of a birth.

I have a NSW baptism record for another individual in my tree who was born in England. The NSW record has the correct date of birth but does not indicate where born.

Similarly, the NSW baptism record for George Robert has date of birth as 31 January 1840 with no indication where born.  Baptism date 27 September 1853.

It was the policy to indicate the year of birth as the year when the records were added to the historical on-line index, hence the record being:

V18407324 45C/1840  BARNES  GEORGE R   JOHN   ELIZABETH K

There are numerous errors in the index with the old church records. I have one marriage that was in 1855 yet the date in the index is 1849.

The copy of the Baptism record that is on film contains the details required to be sent to the Registrar General. It is possible that the actual Scots Church register contains more information.

I can't prove yet that the family on the Barque 'Abbotsford' in 1841 is the same family.  The record simply says "Mr. Barnes and family."

Regards,

Fred

[robots]

Hi Fred!

I must admit the birth dates were sourced from someone's tree with no original citations. It shouldn't be too hard to find who first put them up and make contact with them.

I'm only suggesting that a full birth certificate may have some clue on it to help solve the problem. Eg Who was the informant and their residence? Any special annotations? Costs about $30 and would seem worth getting in this case.

[fred2derf]

Hello Ian,

Yes, a full Birth Certificate should include everything on the St. Andrew's Scots Church register.

The records that are on film are on forms that have columns for information required by the Registrar General. There is no column for "Where born" on it.

Regards,

Fred.

[fred2derf]

Hello Ian,

Re 'King' and 'Ellen' there are errors in some records and trees that have Elizabeth's family name as King.

William John was baptised at the same time as George, as was Edward Prior and Elizabeth Mary Maria.

Regards,

Fred

[robots]

Re King.  It seems she adopted this as a middle name from her mothers maiden name. Likewise Elizabeth's sister Jane Selina CAMPBELL (née ELLEN) named her daughter Jane Ellen CAMPBELL.

[bedfordshire boy]

She didn't adopt King as her middle name. As was often the case, she was given it by her parents when she was baptised

[robots]

Fred

In case you're interested...

Looking over the recent posts, I realise I made an error when referring to George Barnes meeting Jane Selina and family on arrival. It should have read Edward Prior Barnes.

Ian

[Deborah_Illidge]

I am a direct descendant of John Barnes and Elizabeth King Ellen 
My Grandmother on my father's side was one of Susanna and Edward Barnes 7 daughters her name was Marion sister to Nellie and Hilda.  Marion married Thomas Dowling in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada and was my fathers mother and he was born April 20, 1918 his name was Thomas Barnes Dowling and passed away October 13, 1994 ..

Thank you so much for what you have found so far regarding the history of my family.
Deb