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Re: John BARNES & Elizabeth King ELLEN & family
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 15 April 09 07:11 BST (UK) »
Perhaps Fred Allsop got the information from the member submission on the IGI!

But surely it was the Joseph Barnes who was baptised at Bletsoe on 30 July 1786 (the only Joseph baptised at Bletsoe) who married Elizabeth Infield, not Elizabeth Pickering, at Bletsoe on 16 Oct 1809.

Strangely there are no Barnes in the August 1803 Muster List of men aged 17 - 55 at Bletsoe, in which both Joseph and his father William should have appeared.

Joseph's putative parents, William and Ann, were probably the William who was buried in Bletsoe on 18 Oct 1829 age 72, and the Ann Annis age 78 buried on 6 Oct 1832.

The NBI has a burial of Joseph John Barnes age 48 at St Ethelburga Bishopsgate, City of London on 1 July 1826. Whether this is the plain Joseph from Bletsoe is debatable

Are William and Elizabeth born 1815 and 1817 the ones who appear on the IGI as being born in Isleworth? If so it's odd that Susanna should have been baptised in Bletsoe on 3 Dec 1815 (per fred2derf).  I think it possible that the only way to John born c1812 is laterally

I'm getting confused! Who was the John who ended up in the US via Australia and Canada - the brother of Joseph baptised 1786? It might explain the LDS interest in this family and the unsourced member submission.

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Re: John BARNES & Elizabeth King ELLEN & family
« Reply #19 on: Friday 17 April 09 14:24 BST (UK) »
Hello David,

Thanks for your thoughts. I don't think this will ever be solved. I'm still waiting for someone to explain how John and Elizabeth and son Thomas and several other children arrived in 1841 and they baptised George Robert in 1840 in NSW.

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Re: John BARNES & Elizabeth King ELLEN & family
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 19 April 09 01:27 BST (UK) »
Hi Guys,

No one has mentioned the Barnes Family in America. So I just thought I might copy what I found in the book Cootamundra Sons and Daughters. A collection of family stories from the Cootamundra District.2002.

Edward Prior Barnes, met Susanna Maria Gordon, daughter of a London solicitor, on a trip to London in 1871. The Married two years later in Balmain and made their home in Cootamundra, where they had 11 children, only seven of whom survived.
Edward Prior Barnes (John 1812 son) left Cootamundra in May 1896 because of ill health and lived in Sydney until his death in 1900. The remains were returned to Coolamundra for burial.
In 1902 Susanna Barnes  married John James Miller, whom she had known for 29 years. He was the brother-in-law ot two of Susanna's daughters, Nellie and Hilda.
J J Miller and his wife, Susanna , sailed for Canada, c1903, settling in Vancouver. Before he left Australia J J established a home for his mother, Rebecca and sisters, Mary, Sarah and Jessie, in Sydney.
Six of Susanna's seven daughters (two of them with their husbands, Alexander Archibald and William Miller and families) joined the family in Canada, as did Compton South Miller (although Compton returned after 12 months in Canada).
The youngest Miller brother, Neil, was left in charge of the Miller family property, Littedale.

Maybe this is where the  IGI  activity comes from, for John Barnes, 1812.

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Re: John BARNES & Elizabeth King ELLEN & family
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 12 October 10 23:39 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone
has anyone looked for the barnes family coming into Adelaide first  then Sydney ?
This is where John Juniors wife came from and they arrived in Sydney around 1859 John and jane were married 1860.
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Re: John BARNES & Elizabeth King ELLEN & family
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 00:04 BST (UK) »
Hello silky,

Thanks.  Yes, it has been considered but nothing seems to fit.  There are these registrations in Sydney. It would be good to get the exact dates one day.

Baptism Reg# V18407324 45C/1840  BARNES  GEORGE R  - JOHN   ELIZABETH K

Death Reg# V1841680 25B/1841  BARNES  WILLIAM J   INFANT

Arrivals in Adelaide:

BARNES John arrived 1837-04-24 on Sarah & Elizabeth from Hull 1836-09-26  ***  no mention of spouse and children.

BARNES John, wife, John arrived 1841-03-03 on Corsair (1) from London 1840-09-13 v Cape of Good Hope 1841-01-10   *** no mention of children and after the baptism in Sydney.

BARNES Elizabeth arrived 1839-02-09 on Platina from London  ***  Elizabeth by herself?  But what about twins born 9 Jan 1839?

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Re: John BARNES & Elizabeth King ELLEN & family
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 00:32 BST (UK) »
Hi Fred
 Elizabeth Barnes King died 18th jan 1886 Cootamundra aged  83yrs and in my John Juniors Will he leaves money to his sister Elizabeth Ellen no surname maybe never married.??
I have not done any research passed John Junior .I have just started but it all seems confusing with different info coming from other places.(IGI) I really think that some people fill in there own thoughts without checking it first I have found that in my other lines without certs it is very hard.I havent got any yet as I am not a direct descendant of the Barnes family.
thanks Fred for your reply I am sorry I cant help with sorting it all out
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Re: John BARNES & Elizabeth King ELLEN & family
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 00:42 BST (UK) »
Hello silky,

Yes, I'm not a direct descendant either and yes, it's a family with lots of unreliable records and lots of different sources.  It's a branch I've not looked at for a long time because there's little chance of it all falling into place.

I have this which will answer your question:

Birth Reg# V18467327 45/1846  BARNES  ELIZABETH M M   JOHN   ELIZABETH K
St Andrew's Scots Presbyterian in Sydney

Marriage # 4044/1881  ELLEN  HARRY J   BARNES  ELIZABETH M M E   COOTAMUNDRA 

The Sydney Morning Herald - Thursday 19 May 1881  p.8
MARRIAGES
ELLEN-BARNES.-March 23, Cootamundra, by Rev. S. B. Holt, Harry James Ellen to Elizabeth Mary Maria Barnes.

Death Reg# 11892/1924  ELLEN  ELIZABETH M M   JOHN   ELIZABETH K     NORTH SYDNEY

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« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 00:53 BST (UK) »
thank fred
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Re: John BARNES & Elizabeth King ELLEN & family
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 13 October 10 01:00 BST (UK) »
You're Welcome.   :)

Fred