John BARNES & Elizabeth King ELLEN & family

[fred2derf]

Hello John,

Thank you very much. Curious. The marriage of Eliz INFIELD to Jos BARNES on 16 Oct 1809 Bletsoe does exist in the records. I noticed the name Elizabeth PICKERING does appear elsewhere in Bedford in extracted records. It will probably remain a mystery.

Regards,

Fred

[fred2derf]

Hello,

I can add a tiny bit more.  Joseph Samuel's headstone on his grave at Wagga Wagga said he died  16 July 1878, aged 55 years.

John's Death Certificate states his parents as Joseph Barnes and E. Pickering.
Joseph's occupation as a Brewer.

A Joseph Samuel BARNES born 4 Feb 1821 mother Elizabeth & father Joseph, Occupation: Brewer's Servant. Address: Tarling Street, St. George in the East.

Coincidence?


For a Joseph BARNES  There is conflicting info:

b. ? c. ?  30 Jul 1786  Bletsoe, Bedford, England  OR Sidlesham, Sussex, England

Regards,

Fred

[fred2derf]

Hello,

I have some more info. Susanna Eliza BARNES arrived on the 'Bussorah Merchant' on 11 Aug 1833. Susanna was a 20 year-old English servant girl from London. She had entered the Refuge for the Destitute in 1831, the record of interview stating that her father was a brewer's servant at 2 Collingwood St in Spitalfields, East London.

Her death reg in NSW in 1846 does not list any parents, just her age, 30.

An Elizabeth BARNES also arrived on the 'Bussorah Merchant' but so far I don't have any evidence that is a sibling.

We are looking for five children to a Joseph & Elizabeth:

Elizabeth  b. abt 1811
John   c. 27 Jun 1812  Bletsoe ?
William  b. ?
Susanna  c. 3 Dec 1815  Bletsoe
Samuel Joseph  b. abt 1823

Nothing has been found so far to suggest William left England.

Regards,

Fred

[sandy44]

Hi John,
Yes I do have John's Death Certificate  Reg No. 06635. Died 30 Aug 1863 at Wollenbeen, Burrangong. John was shot and killed by John O'Malley, Bush Ranger. His Father is Joseph Barnes. Occ. Brewer: Mother: Elizabeth Pickering. Where Born England. Time in Colony 22yrs in NSW. Married: London :Age at Marriage 21. Spouse Elizabeth King. Children of Marriage 5 Males 1 Female Living. 1 Male 2 Females Deceased.
Susannah Eliza Barnes Travelled on the Bussorah Merchant Arrival Date 11 Aug, 1833. She Married George Robert Nichols of Sydney a Widower. on the 16 Dec, 1837 Parish of Saint James. I have this Certificate.
Susannah Nichols Died Redfern Aged 30 years  on the 12 Nov, 1846 Buried 13 Nov, 1846 Ceremony performed Parish of St, Lawrence Sydney. I have this Certificate.
Joseph Samuel Barnes died 16 July 1878 aged 55 years. Buried Presbyterian Section Wagga Wagga Monumental Cemetery.
Source: Wagga Wagga Advertiser Mr Joseph Barnes so well known in this district is, we regret to hear, very dangerously ill. At the time of going to press no favourable change had taken place and fears are much entertained of his recovery. He is at present staying at the Pastoral Hotel. to secure the best medical advice the town can afford.
Joseph Samuel Barnes is my GG Grandfather( Born 17 May 1824 London. Yet to be confirmed.) Squatter; took up "Yarranjerry" Station (37,000) in Feb, 1856. Married Elizabeth Jane Stinson. 6 June, 1848 Parish of Yass.
On Joseph"s headstone it has him as Emigrated to NSW 1840.
I found an entry for a Joseph Barnes. Arrived  Port Jackson NSW 3 Sept 1840. Vessel Name "JANE" Perhaps some one would look this up, as I haven't been able to as yet.
Regards
Sandra

[fred2derf]

Hello,

Reg# V18407324 45C/1840  BARNES  GEORGE R   JOHN   ELIZABETH K
St Andrew's Scots Presbyterian in Sydney

If this is the arrival of George's parents

 'Abbotsford'      
Origin:   London   1840 Nov 26
Destination:  Sydney   1841 Apr 5
Barnes Mr  and family      

Then how can the baptism take place in 1840?

Fred

[johnP-bedford]

Hello Sandy,

Welcome to RootsChat

I am sure Fred here will find your information interesting

but - tell me - where does it tell you that John Barnes was born/christened in Bletsoe . ?


Regards John
 

[bedfordshire boy]

What I haven't seen so far is any reference from Australia to Bletsoe. Is this a figment of an LDS member's imagination, or is there really some document in Oz that names the village and John's date of birth. The date of birth, without a baptism in Bletsoe, implies that it came either from a standalone source eg family bible, or is complete fiction!

Is there any evidence that John, Susannah Eliza, and Joseph Samuel were siblings?

Not sure if I've mentioned this before but there are no burials in Bletsoe of any Barnes post 1800 except William 72 in 1829 and Ann 78 in 1832. So I don't know what happened to Joseph and Elizabeth (Infield) who married in 1809


David

[fred2derf]

Hello John,

I think this is 'Mission Impossible' given the information that is currently available.  Let's start with Susanna:

A Susanna Barnes, daughter of Joseph and Elizabeth, baptised at Bletsoe on 3 Dec 1815.  As I said I'm in SE Asia and don't have access to certain resources that are available in Sydney. So I can't check the shipping reel for the 'Bussorah Merchant'
to see what it says about Susanna. I don't know if it lists a place of birth or her parents or not. Also I don't have access to the source that says she "... had entered the Refuge for the Destitute in 1831" and two years later was offered the possibility of emigration which she took with her father's permission. I don't know what it might say about her father other than a brewer's servant at 2 Collingwood Street,  Spitalfields, East London.

Re the connection between John and Joseph, I've already mentioned that Joseph was a witness at the marriage of John's son Thomas Alfred. Thomas and Joseph married sisters. Again, I don't have a copy of that certificate so I don't know if it specifically says 'Uncle' or if the witness is just 'a Mr BARNES' who lives in the area. Thomas married Isabella STINSON and the other witness was Isabella's sister Elizabeth Jane spouse of a John BARNES.

Also Thomas Alfred is mentioned in an Insolvency Record for Joseph Samuel BARNES. Again, I don't know if it specifically says they are nephew & uncle.

Is there a birth or baptism for a Joseph BARNES on 30 Jul 1786  at Bletsoe ?  Yes
An extracted baptism for a Joseph BARNS - parents William & Anne. Impossible to show this Joseph married an Elizabeth in Bletsoe, had some children after 1812 (so they don't show on IGI as extracted entries) and later moved to London and worked as a brewer's servant, hence the items that tie that occupation and place together in Susanna's story of her parents and of John's death certificate that lists his father as Joseph and a brewer.

I don't have access to the source for this either "Joseph Samuel Barnes - father Joseph Barnes - mother Elizabeth. Father's occupation Brewer's Servant. Address: Tarling Street, St. George in the East"

Regards,

Fred

[sandy44]

Hi  everyone,
In regard to Joseph Barnes and Elizabeth Barnes being Witnesses to Thomas Barnes and Isabella Stinson's Marriage. I quote. Source: St John's Church of England. Wagga Wagga Parish Register - Marriages.
Marriage Date: 16 Jan, 1866 at Berry Jerry.
Minister: Rev Samuel Fox Minister of the Church of England at Wagga Wagga.
Groom: Thomas Alfred Barnes. Storekeeper of Murrumburrah aged 29 years. born London England.
Father: John Barnes. Storekeeper, Mother: Elizabeth King Ellen.
Bride: Isabella Stinson, spinster of Berry Jerry, aged 23 years, born Cunningham Creek, Father: Samuel Stinson, Squatter, Mother Elizabeth McGee.
WITNESSES: Jos Barnes & Elizabeth Barnes.
In The Stinsons of North Berry Jerry Book. By Barbara Carmichael.
Isabella married Thomas Barnes on 16th Jan, 1866 at Berry Jerry Station. The witnesses at the Marriage were: Joseph Barnes, Thomas's uncle and his wife Elizabeth Jane Stinson., who was Isabella's sister.
Source: Gormly Index (on Microfiche held at CSU Regional Archives)
John Barnes of Murrumburrah, late of Sydney and Melbourne, formerly of 111 Wood St, Cheapside, London. was shot by bushrangers. Aged 51 years. Buried Yass 3 Sep. 1863 - Sydney Morning Herald 10 Sept 1863.
A Fred Allsopp supplied the information that John Barnes was born 27 June 1812 at Bletsoe. some time ago. I have tried to no avail to contact Fred. to establish where he got the information.
Someone call Doug answered a contact of mine. last year saying If Joseph Samuel is the Joseph in his family here is what he has on dated...
They were from Bletsoe, England, and my line (Joseph's brother John) emigrated to Australia, into Canada and finally the U.S.
Descendants of Joseph John Barnes.
1 Joseph John Barnes 1786- 1826
 +Elizabeth Pickering
,,,,2 John (Frederick?) Barnes 1812-1863
........+Elizabeth King Ellen 1902-1886
.............3 William John Barnes 1834-1841
..............3 Thomas Alfred Barnes 1836-1902
............. 3 John Frederick Barnes 1837-1915
..............3 Elizabeth Jane Barnes 1839-1839
..............3 Mary Ellen Barnes 1839-1839
..............3 George Robert Barnes 1840-1920
..............3 William John Barnes 1842-
..............3 Edward Prior Barnes 1844-1900
.........................+Susannah Maria Gordon 1851-1927
........2 William Barnes 1815-
........2 Susanna Barnes 1816-
........2 Elizabeth Barnes 1817-
........2 Joseph Barnes 1824-

Regards
Sandra