Completed. Nearly there.Photo 5 of 5 of old set, needs dating & restore.

[Barbara348]

Hi everyone.

Here's No 5 of 5 in my old set of photo's so I'm nearly there thanks to Rootschatters.

This photo badly needs a restore please, if anyone can help.

Also I'd be very grateful if someone could date it for me because that could help me possibly identify the woman and the girl.

I believe they are my Gt Gt Aunts but I need a date as a guide.

Thanks very much

Barbara.

P.S. I forgot to attach the photo so here it is.

[chinakay]

Hi Barbara...about 1905-1910 or thereabouts, I'd say.

Is there anything printed on the back?

Cheers,
China

[Barbara348]

Hi China.

This is one of the old set and the images were scanned in USA then passed on to me so I havn't got the original photo.

However, the cousin who sent it to me assures me there is nothing on the reverse, not a name or a date.

I'm way off beam because I was thinking about maybe 1860 ish.

In a previous post , I posted a picture of my Gt Gt Grandparents who were seated, but with their daughter standing.
Link:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369998.0.html 

I was thinking that she looked a bit like an older version of the young girl on the left of the screen in this picture.

Unfortunately, I'm not clever enough to post a picture of both together but if your assessment of date is correct, then I'm way off anyway.

 The daughter shown in the link above was born in 1860 and died in 1891 which (if it had been the same person) would have made the photo circa maybe mid 1870's.

Quite honestly, I'm told she is a relative but that's about all.

What a puzzle.

Barbara.

[chinakay]

This is a very odd photo. I've seen some mixed messages in photos before but I think this one takes the gold medal

The girl in the photo, with her v-shaped bodice and dropped shoulder, center-parted hair and ringlets, has certainly got an 1860s look to her.

But the woman's blouse is very definitely not from that era...the big sleeve with the long tight wrist didn't come along until the 1900s.

The overall look of the picture is old, the deep sepia tones...old, old.

But the pose, with the woman's arm around the girl and smiling! Modern. Unheard of in the 1860s. The square plinth beside the woman, quite a 1900s look.

I have to admit I'm totally confused by this one...it's like someone is trying to mess with my head

But I think when you have a mishmash like this one, you have to go with the most modern element. People in photos can be wearing an older style of clothing, but unlikely to be wearing a fashion that hasn't come along yet.

I haven't seen a single example of that sleeve any earlier than the early 1900s. It's a very long wrist and distinctive.

Just a thought, what country are we dealing with...?

Cheers,
a confused China

[Barbara348]

China,

Apologies.I meant to say that I was thinking mid 1870's, not 1860's.

Also, whilst I thought the original photo was taken in England and sent to relatives in America, I don't really know.

It's the last photo of 5 really old, faded photo's which were scanned to me by a relative in America and have recently been greatly restored for me by Rootschatters.

I'm a bit lost with this one , to say the least.

Barbara.

[chinakay]

Well...although I'm torn between the 1860s-type signals and the 1900s-type signals, I'm very confident that this is not an 1870s photo. The fabric and the clothing style and the pose are waaay out for 1870s...fabrics were heavy velvets and cottons embellished with fringes, ruffles and lace...women wore more upholstery than the furniture

I'm looking at the design on the bottom of the woman's skirt...it's kind of hard to see the confines of the skirt, how big it is, but that sort of design is not seen until the early 20th centure as far as I know. They had designs, usually straight lines, around the bottom of skirts in the 1860s but this isn't an 1860s skirt.

So...until somebody comes along with a more viable scenario, I'll stick to about 1905...skirt's too long for 1910...

Cheers,
China

[little meg]

Don't know if this photo is of any help.
It is of an unknown in my collection, photographer James Hertz, Bradford.
Dated: 1870-1877
The skirt has similar patterning and fullness, and a white shirt under the bolero style jacket. Shame we cannot see the fullness of sleeve under the jacket
Also wide belt with very similar characteristics.

Margaret

[jim1]

Hello Barbara
I think China 1st. instinct is about right,early 1900's.The young woman's blouse would date it at that time,also the younger girl has her swept back off her face (usually tied at the back) again an early 1900's girlie fad.I think what's throwing China is the general appearance,the mottled sepia look appears more in earlier photos which we wouldn't expect to see this at this time.but as she pointed out you can't wear something that hasn't yet come out.

jim
PS lovely photo Meg but wouldn't agree with the date.

[little meg]

PS lovely photo Meg but wouldn't agree with the date.

Hi Jim, thankyou, it is a lovely pic isn't it, I have lots but many are un-named, and I do not have the originals.
I had sent a copy of the photo and the back with the details of the photographer to a member of the Bradford family history group, he was indexing the photographers of Bradford.  It is he who gave me this date and the date for many of the photos I have for Bradford.
The full details of the photographer are:
James Hertz, Lumb Lane, Bradford, Yorkshire.
If anyone can come up with a different date I would be interested.

Why, Jim, do you disagree with the date  curious meg

Margaret