David Jack & Margaret Meldrum (Camelon Falkirk?)

[jake-2]

Hi ,Can anyone help me in my research as I've hit the wall.
 I'm looking for any information on David Jack and Margaret Meldrum who would be my Gx3 grandparents.The names I got from the death certificate of James Jack my gX2 grandfather,he died on 6 March 1900.
 James married Elizabeth Burt in 1839,the 1851 census has him born in Camelon ,Falkirk, As yet I have no record of James's birth but working back dates he was born about 1820.
 Any information regarding the birth of James or of his parents David and Margaret would be very much appreciated.

[Billy Anderson]

Hi Jake 2,
Welcome to rootschat.
Working on the theory that you start with your birth and go back, you have the details of your 2x Great grandfather,s death d.o.d.6th March 1900.
James married Elizabeth Burt 1839.
I found a marriage for the above in the IGI records www.familysearch.org
29th March 1839 Falkirk.
Have you looked on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
for the marriage in the OPR,s old parochial records.
If you find this it may give the ages of James and Elizabeth.
If you keep going back year by year from James,s birth you should find his parents marriage,
Billy.
 

[jake-2]

Hi Billy,Thanks for the reply to my post.
 Yes your right I've got the OPR of James & Elizabeth's marriage and it only gives their names and date of marriage.I have had a look in Scotlands People for a OPR of James x3 birth but it drew a blank he must have been born about 1820 as I mentioned before.
  Many thanks again
                             Jake-2
 
                                 

[DUNMAC]

Hi Jake,
            Had  a quick look on Ancestry for David & Margaret in the Censuses for Stirlingshire and nothing obvious came up, also searched another three trees I'm allowed to view with Burt connections; we all have Elizabeth Burt & the marriage to James but apart from his parents names nothing further has come to light. We have a bit of his descent line if of any help?1841, 1851, 1861, 1881, 1891 Censuses available, James was a Nailer and by 1891 a Foundry Labourer.
                                                                                                                   Cheers,
                                                                                                                        Duncan.

[jake-2]

Hi Duncan,
                   Many thanks for trying to help me in my search.Like Billy and myself it seems we're well and truly stuck,although I won't give up,it still is early days for me.
 At this point I don't know if James Jack born abt 1820 had any brothers or sisters so I can work round from there, I'm finding it very difficult to get any trace of any of the family beyond that point.
 I have read some of your previous posts ,which was beneficial to me and I must thank you again for for that.
 If by chance you do pick anything up please remember me,
    Many thanks again
                                  Jake

[LindsaySiam]

Jake, this may be a complete red herring but have you tried looking in Fife? 

My Meldrums - no matter where I found them - all originated in Fife and I have a suspicion (as yet unproven) that one of 5G Grandmothers was a Euphemia Jack, also from Fife.

Lindsay

[jake-2]

Hi Lindsay
                   Thanks for that information ,I haven't looked at Fife,the only information I have is from censuses that says their son James (G grandfather x2)was born in Camelon

[Pam Chetland]

Hi

I have just recently been looking at another James Jack b abt 1831 in Camelon to William Jack b abt 1801 and Isabella Cox William was a mason

I also have James Jack b abt 1820 who married Elizabeth Burt in my tree so I have been looking for David Jack and Margaret Meldrum like you with absolutely no success, but I have found a marriage for a David Jack and Agnes Melville in 1816 which led me to wonder if the informant on this DC had got it wrong as so many informants on DCs do, I have just had another look at the cert and James was 80 yrs old when he died and it was his youngest son Andrew who was the informant so could be forgiven for getting it wrong

This David Jack and Agnes Melville are on the 1841 census with children David b abt 1821, Agnes b abt 1826 and Mitchell b abt 1830 then there is Isabel b 29 Sep 1833, Peter b 6 Sep 1835 and William b abt 1840 David Jack is described as an Ag Lab his wife Agnes is described as a nailmaker

This is just a suggestion, I'd be interested in any comments

Regards
Pam

[LindsaySiam]

Hello Pam, I was just about to refer you to a Pedigree Resource File when I realised it was yours.

I am replying just because I checked this couple before for Jake, short answer to your question re: Agnes Melville, is I just don't know.

If you look at Scottish Naming Pattern, you could say possibly.

1851 shows three children James, Susan and Agnes
1861 shows four children James, Susan, Elizabeth and Andrew

We know that they had a child David in 1840 also,

So children would be David, James, Susan, Agnes, Elizabeth and Andrew

I know it is not scientific but they seem to have followed SNP in some part, First son David for his father, first daughter Susan for her mother.  3rd daughter for mother Elizabeth.  Possibly 2nd daughter Agnes for his mother??

There was no John (her father) or Margaret (Meldrum) that  I could find. I assume that David died after 1841 but before 1851 as he doesn't appear again. There would have been time between David's birth 1840 and James' birth 1845 for a John, likewise for a Margaret between Susan and Agnes' birth. If there was a John and a Margaret, they could have died also as their births would have been between census periods.....

The Falkirk Parish Burials pre 1855 does show a Margaret Jack, aged 2 and buried 29th September 1844. There is also a Margaret Jack, no age given who died in 1841. No David and no John of the right age.

On the other hand, I couldn't find anything to show that David Jack and Agnes Melville had a son James. Given the marriage of David Jack and Agnes Melville in 1822 in St. Ninians and the birth of James Jack c. 1820 in Falkirk, it doesn't look likely ...

Incidentally, the 1841 census shows only one David Jack born 1840 in Falkirk. His parents are shown as James Jack and Elizabeth Ried (mistranscribed on Ancestry). I checked the orginal on SP and her name was Elizabeth Reed, there is also a 9 year old James Stratton (I think Stratton) living with them. Not suggesting that Elizabeth Burt was really Reed, only that they may have some relevance to your Jacks.

Funnily enough, the only incidence in my tree where a parents name is completely wrong on the death certificate occured also with a family of Nailers from Camelon ... so it does happen but if I had to put money on it, I would say that I think it is unlikely that his parents were David Jack and Agnes Melville.

Sorry not much help,

Lindsay