Martin Family Dublin

[Ronald Tucker]

Dear Shane

Thanks a lot for the thorough research and details.

My ggg aunt Miss Henrietta Ann TUCKER stayed at Air Hill in December 1879, eight months after the death of her brother, my gg grandfather Lt. Edward J H Tucker RN who had been the officer in charge of the coastguard station at Bray Head from 1861.  I wondered what she was doing in Ireland at the time and why Air Hill.

I now believe that she was paying a visit to settle the affairs of his estate and that unsurprisingly she stayed with Capt. Sullivan RN at Air Hill, probably a naval colleague / friend of her late brother's.  Once I saw Capt. Sullivan RN in your message, things clicked into place.

Your contribution is much appreciated.


Kind regards

Ronnie Tucker

[shanew147]

my ggg-grandfather Samuel Hodges was a coastguard and he signed on at Bray station in 1831 and retired to a cottage near the sea front there in the 1860s.. he might have known Edward!

I had a quick look at ADM records to see if they may have served together and see the details of Edward arriving in Bray as Master in 1861 but no earlier details for him.


Shane

[Ronald Tucker]

Dear Shane

Quite a coincidence!

My gg grandfather was appointed to the job on July 29, 1861, so he must have reported for duty in Bray soon thereafter.  I have his original letter of appointment from the British Admiralty.

If your ggg grandfather retired to a cottage near the seafront there in the 1860's and had been in the coastguard for such a long time, it is hard to believe that they would not have met.  After about 30 years service, I would imagine your ggg grandfather would have dropped in on his old colleagues occasionally for a chat. 

I live in Delgany and my sister lives on the seafront in Bray, as does my mother.  She is in a nursing home 50 paces from the Esplanade Hotel which is the site where the old coastguard station / cottages stood up in the early 1860's.  Do you live in Ireland yourself?

If you ever find out more details of the Bray coastguard or have any photos from the 19th century, I would appreciate hearing from you.  I will do the same.


Kind regards

Ronnie

[shanew147]

Hi Ronnie,

I am located in South Dublin, near Goatstown... so not that far from you.

Samuel is not the only one of my ancestors that Edward or Henrietta may have bumped into. My Fitzsimon (and Doyle and Cantwell) ancestors were also from Bray, and they ran various businesses in, and near the town, including a cab business in the main street and beside the station.

I'll keep an eye out for anything on the CG station or Edward, and will let you know if I find anything.

I've a copy of the ADM record for Bray, unfortunately it only covers up to about 1862. have you seen this or do you want me to arrange a copy for you ?



Shane

[Ronald Tucker]

Dear Shane

Goatstown:  very close indeed, as these things go.

I would appreciate a copy of the ADM record for 1862, thanks.

My mother's family also originate from Bray in the mid 19th century.  Her maiden name is ORR and my gg grandfather James ORR was a gunsmith in Bray.  He is buried with his father William ORR and probably his stepmother Harriet in the old St. Paul's Church cemetery on the Main Street (opposite the Royal Hotel).  He died aged 24 in 1861 and his widow Elizabeth (nee SMITH) may have emigrated with two of her children to North America after placing one son, my great grandfather George Samuel ORR (who became deaf at age 2) in the Claremont Institution for the Deaf in Glasnevin in May 1866, when he was aged 5.  George Samuel ORR was 18 months old when his father James died.

So if you come across any Bray ORR's or SMITH's in your research, please let me know.  I'll keep my eyes open for HODGES, FITZSIMON, DOYLE and CANTWELL too.


Kind regards

Ronnie

[shanew147]

from ADM175/20 page 649

  Station : Bray : District : Dublin
  Ref: N7169
  Date: 20 July 1861
  from whence nominated or Station removed from :  Glasgow
  Name : Mr. Edward H. Tucker S.B. master
  Quality : Chief Officer
  D./D.D./Removed : Discharged
  Date of Discharge or Removal : 17 Dec 1865
  Station removed to : to Half pay
  Notes : 411/17   65

I'll do a scan/screenshot of the page for you this evening.


Shane

[shanew147]

some Orr directory listing for the Bray area, in case you have not already seen them :

Slater's 1846

  Richard Orr , Esq. Bray Cottage (Gentry & clergy section)

Thom's 1852

 William Orr, locksmith, Little Bray

Thom's 1863

 James Orr, gunmaker, Castle st, Bray  (*)
 William Orr, locksmith &c, Little Bray

Slater's 1870

 William Orr , gunsmith, Castle st

* the directories can be a little bit slow with revisions in some areas on occasion, which could account for the entry for James appearing in 1863... 


Shane

[Ronald Tucker]

Dear Shane

Thanks for the Orr info.  Most kind of you.  I imagine the William ORR (locksmith) was the father of James ORR (gunmaker) but I'll have to find proof positive.  As for the Richard ORR in the gentry and clergy section, his is a name I hadn't come across before.

Kind regards

Ronnie

[Aussie_trekkie]

Hi just hoping I can get back to the Martin Family with this one. I have found an address for the marriage of Charlotte Martin to Edward Baldwin 1863. I believe she may have been the older sister of John Martin born 1853 approx or even an Aunt. . She was godparents to one of his children. The address is 6 Gratten Place off Mt Street. Does anyone have any information on this place? I think they were tenements. I cannot find a baptism for either John or Charlotte in St Andrews so the family may have moved from another parish. Edward Baldwin was living at Verscoyle Place at the time of his marriage. He was a tailor. It is getting very hard to track as there are so many Martins living around this area but I am hoping for a light somewhere. I have an address for the family in 1863 I know John became a tailor too and so were his children. The puzzle is, he married in the Church of England St Silas Liverpool but his sister,wife and children were all RC.  Was it norm for RC to marry in the C of E. in 1875 or would he have insisted on this if he was not RC. His wife was RC as were her parents.  All help very much appreciated