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Re: LIVERPOOL COWKEEPERS
« Reply #90 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 17:43 BST (UK) »
It's lovely to see those old photos of dairies and cows in Liverpool,  don't have any photos, but as a contribution to these postings, this excerpt from my father's memoir of growing up in Scotland Rd., about 1915:

"As a child I would toddle round to John's dairy to get a warm drink straight from the cow and to watch him cooling the milk which he poured through a Funnel into a steel ventilator from which it emerged through the vanes directly into the churns. This operation required a bucket of hot water into which I promptly sat only to he rushed off to my mother bawling my head off. When I became older I sometimes helped on his rounds. That was when housewives bought milk straight from the churn and a valued possession was a white quart jug. One time he had a real high-stepper of a pony which would stand in the street harnessed and docile as a lamb until it heard the key turn in the padlock, at which point it would tear off like something possessed, with old John hurling himself into the float and grabbing the reins just in time.

There was a morning when, standing in the float with ten-gallon churn of milk, the sound of the padlock hit the mad moke's ears and off it shot. Grabbing the reins instinctively, I tugged on the wrong one and there we were, careering along the pavement, one wheel on, one wheel off. Fortunately the Cowkeeper with an extra spurt and his usual acrobatics brought the pony under control at the same time giving me a stinging crack on the head and a warning not to do that again.  We were lucky the main road was only yards away.

On another day, John and I, armed with long canes, drove three of his poor dried-up cows through the streets onto the luggage boat and into the Lairage at Birkenhead. The Pride I felt in this exercise excluded any pity for the animals but it's as well l didn't witness their ignoble end, as according to John: they were stunned with a Sledge hammer and then cut up."

From:  "Candles, Carts and Carbolic, a Liverpool Childhood between the Wars" by Jim Callaghan, Carnegie Publishing. Available at any bookstore.

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« Reply #91 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 18:18 BST (UK) »
Tortoise1's father's account of the dairy sounds very familiar.  In the 1960s we lived next door to a dairy farm near Clitheroe and one of my duties, at the age of eleven, was to hop over the wall with a tall, 'willow pattern' jug and 7d (3.5p) for a pint of milk.

The 'cooler' in the dairy consisted of a hefty steel bracket attached to the wall, on top of which was a stainless steel, semi-circular bath which would have held about ten gallons of milk.  On the front of this bath was a tap, which discharged into a trough and thence through a row of holes which allowed it to flow down a convoluted heat exchanger into a further trough.  The heat exchanger had a hosepipe at the bottom right corner, which was attached to a water tap and a further hosepipe at the top left, discharging into a drain.  Below the lower trough, a milk kit was placed with a large funnel called a 'sile' placed in the top.  A stainless steel mesh 'sandwich' in the bottom of the sile contained a disc of filter paper, which I was told was called a 'sile wad'.  The exciting part was when you asked for the pint of milk and the farmer deftly stopped the flow of milk from the bottom trough, with a plug very similar to a sink plug, removed the sile, dipped a one-pint measure into the milk kit, poured it into your jug (with a bit extra for luck), replaced the sile and then unbunged the bottom trough - all before the milk in the bottom trough started to overflow!

It was never as much fun to watch when farms started using 'bulk tanks'.
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« Reply #92 on: Wednesday 18 July 12 19:22 BST (UK) »
 If anyone is interested I did a list from the 1881 Census of Cowkeepers and Dairymen in Liverpool.
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« Reply #93 on: Sunday 29 July 12 14:01 BST (UK) »
Brilliant thread.  Thanks to everyone especially for the photos. :) :)
My great x3 grandfather was a coe keeper in 1806 and 1810 according to the children's baptism details.  This was in Leeds St and Old Hall St.  If any one has a directory or map or any other info I would be very pleased as my family line stops there.
Lynne

forgot to add he was called Thomas Harrison
Fletcher, Scotland pre 1850s Liverpool post 1850s
Manchester, Bickerstaffe and later Liverpool
Mitchell, Liverpool
Harrison and Howard all in  Liverpool, Gascoyne St area


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« Reply #94 on: Sunday 12 August 12 19:19 BST (UK) »
And another one !  Just seen in 1901 census at 134, Westminster Rd. is a Milk House with Mary Thomas age 68 born Wales and,  Owen Thomas son age 29, dairy milk man, born Lpool.

I noticed it because a rel. of mine Jane Wyllie (nee PAUL) age 52 was next door at 136. Her husband was John Wyllie age 67 born Dundee, marine engineer.

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« Reply #95 on: Friday 24 August 12 10:36 BST (UK) »
My ancestors were also cowkeepers in Anfield, originating in Westmorland. I'm trying to attach an old business card that we have in the archives.  I may have to come back and do that later!

Anyway, thanks to everyone for the information posted here. It's very interesting.


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« Reply #96 on: Tuesday 18 December 12 15:47 GMT (UK) »
William WILLIAMS  cowkeepers assistant, lived 10, Goring St. West Derby in 1923.

I have a birth cert. for his daughter Phyllis born 14/06/1923. Mother was Mary Emily PEEL.

I got this by mistake and will happily send it to anyone interested. Humphpaul.
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« Reply #97 on: Saturday 06 February 16 19:51 GMT (UK) »
I am researching a Johnson family from Cheshire for a friend and I have the following:

George Johnson (born 1834) and his wife Sarah- married in Cheshire in 1861 but had 3 children in  Everton, Liverpool, who were baptised in 1864/66/68 at Christ church Everton. George Johnson is show on baptisms as a cowkeeper. By 1869 he was back in Cheshire and farming again- could this have been to avoid the risk of TB? Are there any Trade Directories that are available on line so that I may see if he is listed during the 1860s?
Any help or advice appreciated.
Caroline
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« Reply #98 on: Saturday 06 February 16 20:42 GMT (UK) »
Further to my post of over 5 years ago, I have since with the help of my Aunt found that the dairy was in Smithdown Road Liverpool, in between Hartington Road and Holmes Street. The arch that the cows used is still visible today next to the pub.
My Aunt also told me that it was true that my Dad did contact T B of the spine after drinking the milk straight from the cows. I think it must have been Pott's disease which is tuberculosis arthritis of the spine, which results in the collapse or a deformation of the spine.

Mary