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Re: Baptist church in SA Archives
« Reply #54 on: Friday 17 May 13 16:43 BST (UK) »
Just come across Peter's post about the Galbraiths on St Helena. I've been working on the Ackelys on St Helena with a lady in Australia. A will arrived today from England in which Robert Galbraith was one of the executors:
dated 15 Sep 1867 of Alfred Ackely, whose brother William Ackely and Alfred's wife Katherine Rose Ackely were the other executors. Alfred refers to Robert Galbraith as "my beloved uncle" which would make Robert and William uncle/nephew as well.

There was a Mary Ann Ackely on the island as well, and it's her I'm trying to trace. She was born c1839 and married John Statham Stewart in 1858. They had two children, Mary Galbraith Stewart and Robert Galbraith Stewart so presumably she was also connected to William and Alfred, possibly a sister or a cousin.

The will was proved on St Helena on 13 Nov 1868 where William Ackely and Katherine Rose Ackely were described as the surviving executors, implying that Robert Galbraith had died between Sep 1867 and Nov 1868, although your findings contradict this.

One interpretation of events is that one of Robert's two sisters that you  mention married William and Alfred Ackely's father.

Any light that you can shed on this aspect would be appreciated.

David
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Re: Baptist church in SA Archives
« Reply #55 on: Tuesday 21 May 13 06:18 BST (UK) »
I've been working with Peter offboard and thought it might be helpful if I recorded for posterity what we found.

Family tradition says that "Galbraith - living in Berwick area. Father - Sea Captain. several children, Robert  eldest. Father died at sea while children young. widow relatively poor. Bachelor uncle offered to adopt Robert and take him to St Helena provided his surname changed to "Short".  Uncle Short was owner of a typical Island import & export business. Robert (Galbraith) Short settled in St Helena as assistant to uncle. Two maiden Galbraith sisters kept house."
 
As with most family legends there seems to be a lot of truth in the story, but it's got mangled.
 
His age in St Helena implies a birth in 1839.
 
In 1841 living in Newham, Bamburgh, Northumberland was
Richard Short 35 Schoolmaster; Eleanor Short 40 b Scotland; William Short12; Thomas Short 10; Elijah Short 8; Mary Short 6; Jane Short 4; Robert Galbreath 2. All ex Eleanor b Northumberland.
 
In the same place in 1851 the family consisted of
Richard Short head marr 47 Schoolmaster b Egglingham; Eleanor Short wife 51 b Scotland; Mary A G Short 16 b Bamburgh; Jane Short 14 b B'gh; Philip G Short son 9 b B'gh; Richard J Short son 6 b B'gh; Robert G Short 12 nephew (adopted son deleted) b Berwick on Tweed; Jane Galbreath mother in law 76 b Scotland

Richard Short had married Eleanor Galbreath at Bamburgh on 18 May 1828.

So the deleted “Adopted son” replaced by “nephew” in 1851 seems to confirm that Richard and Eleanor Short had adopted Robert Galbreath, and that he was the son of a sibling of Eleanor. So that part of the family story stacks up, as does the part about living in the Berwick area. Additional evidence is provided by a descendant of Eleanor Short who possesses a poem printed on silk, inscribed "R Noble, St Helena 6 Nov 1860" ‘Lines written on the death of Mrs Robert  Galbraith’ who d Nov 4, which links the Bamburgh family to St Helena.

Also living on St Helena was a Robert Galbraith who was an uncle of William Ackely. In 1868 Robert Galbraith Short, along with an Elizabeth Galbraith was in partnership with William Ackely as R Galbraith & Co. It seems as though Robert junior went to St Helena to work for an uncle Galbraith, rather than an uncle Short. So the family story is half right on this score. It's the bit about Robert being the son of a sea captain who died at sea when Robert and several younger siblings were still young that concerns me. There was a sea captain who was buried on St Helena:
a plaque in St James Garden, Lower Jamestown in St Helena, reads: “ GALBREATH, William McKellar (Capt)*; d. 9 Nov 1843, aged 30 years. A native of Greenock in North Britain and late Commander of the barque “Alchema” who in January 1843 was shipwrecked on a coral reef in the China Seas and fell a victim to disease induced by the privations which he suffered on his passage home. He was landed at St Helena and died in the 31st year of his age. His sorrowing relatives far separated from his cold remains can but lament his early and hapless fate and destiny to the affection which they bore him by erecting this tablet to his much cherished memory”
  A William McKellar Galbreath was born in Greenock on 28 Oct 1812 to parents Matthew Galbreath and Agnes McKellar. A newspaper article reads as follows: “ Captain William McKellar Galbreath died at St. Helena on 9th November 1843 age 31”. (Greenock Advertiser 29.12.1843)
 
If Robert was born in 1839 and his father was shipwrecked in Jan 1843 there isn't time for Robert to have had several younger siblings. And we know from the 1851 that Eleanor (Galbreath) Short's mother was Jane Galbreath not Agnes. In 1841 living in Berwick on Tweed were   Thos? Galbraith 70 pensioner & Jane Galbraith 65, both b Scotland. In the next house was ?? Carr 65, Geo Carr 10 and Jane Galbraith 30  . Subsequent censuses show Jane Galbraith was unmarried and born in Berwick on Tweed in 1807-8. I think there's every chance that she was the mother of an illegitimate Robert Galbraith, and the sea captain story has got embellished so that he turned into the father of Robert.

Berwick on Tweed baptism register needs to be checked for the baptism of Robert Galbraith c1839.

Having helped sort out Robert Galbraith Short, I'm no further forward with my Ackely problem, but my understanding of the Galbraiths on St Helena has improved! And I still think that the mother of the Ackelys was a sister of Robert and Eleanor Galbraith! Just can't prove it. Yet!!!

David
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Re: Baptist church in SA Archives
« Reply #56 on: Friday 20 September 13 16:19 BST (UK) »
Hi Peter

This is strangly the same as my family tree, we also have a robert galbraith who we thought was an orphan that was adopted by the family short.  He also went on to st helena and married an elizabeth denton or patton.  It all seems almost identicle to mine, also with the scots background.  The dates just seem funny.  Robert i have as being born in 1869 and dying in 1959.  He was my moms grandfather and she remembers him dying when she was six.  Things that are similar are:

Scotland link
St Helena link
Robert Galbraith Short (Either adopted or looked after, we know it as adopted)
Married Elizabeth (some in my family say that the nee was denton others say patton)
Dates although they dont match are around the same timeframe.

One of Roberts sons was Leslie William Short which was my grandfather and i am trying to trace my family tree and stumbled across this post.

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« Reply #57 on: Sunday 06 March 16 15:17 GMT (UK) »
I don't like to leave loose ends dangling, so here's an update on the Galbraith family. A visitor to St Helena recently sent me photographs of the wills of Robert Galbraith who died in 1868,and Robert Galbraith Short, his nephew born 1838, who died in 1911.

In the earlier will Robert Galbraith consistently referred to his nephew as Robert Galbraith Roper, then ruled through Roper and added Short above and initialled the alteration. There's a birth registration in Berwick-upon-Tweed in the Dec quarter 1838 of Robert Galbraith Roper (don't ask; no idea how I failed to spot this three years ago!). The birth cert arrived last week and his parents are shown as John Roper, shoemaker, and Jane Roper formerly Galbraith. The informant was Jane Roper. One problem: I can't see a marriage between John Roper and Jane Galbraith. I can find John Roper shoemaker and Jane Galbraith in subsequent censuses, but are unmarried and not living together. But no John and Jane Roper. Cynical old codger that I am, I suspect that Jane Galbraith registered the birth as Roper to hide the illegitimacy.

Jane Galbraith was the sister of Robert Galbraith on St Helena, and of Eleanor Short née Galbraith who adopted Robert Galbraith Roper.

bantumi69 - Robert Galbraith Short married Elizabeth Denton in 1863 in St Helena, and had a son Robert Galbraith Short in 1875. Did this Robert Galbraith Short move to South Africa at some time after 1896 (when he was initiated into the Freemasons in St Helena)?

David

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Re: Baptist church in SA Archives
« Reply #58 on: Monday 07 March 16 09:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi

There is a Robert Galbraith Short born 1876 listed as a student on the 1891 Census on Family Search

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QN5W-F2M

Then there are 7 births to a Robert Galbraith Short taking place in South Africa with spouse Sarah Short also on Family Search. Childrens names Grace, Leslie, Thelma, Edith, Gordon Victor, Stanley and Sidney first birth in 1916 there are images to acompany the birth entries here

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22robert%20galbraith%22%20%2Bsurname%3Ashort

and then in our Archives

DEPOT     TAB                                                                   
SOURCE    MHG                                                                   
TYPE      LEER                                                                 
VOLUME_NO 0                                                                     
SYSTEM    01                                                                   
REFERENCE 4311/59                                                               
PART      1                                                                     
DESCRIPTION          SHORT, ROBERT GALBRAITH.                                             
STARTING  19590000                                                             
ENDING    19590000                                                             
REMARKS   SURVIVING SPOUSE SARAH SHORT (BORN WOODWARD). 

and then her Estate File

DEPOT     TAB                                                                   
SOURCE    MHG                                                                   
TYPE      LEER                                                                 
SYSTEM    01                                                                   
REFERENCE 2726/66                                                               
PART      1                                                                     
DESCRIPTION          SHORT, SARAH. (BORN WOODWARD).                                       
STARTING  19660000                                                             
ENDING    19660000                                                             
REMARKS   PREDECEASED SPOUSE ROBERT GALBRAITH SHORT. 

Perhaps this is the son of Robert and Elizabeth with his wife.
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« Reply #59 on: Monday 07 March 16 20:33 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much 3sillydogs. I think that just about completes the Shorts/Galbraiths from St Helena. It's been an interesting bit of research

David
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Re: Baptist church in SA Archives
« Reply #60 on: Tuesday 08 March 16 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Guys

Wow i had actually given up my search because of funds really, but this information is amazing i need to find all my stuff i did get and try figure this all out.  All i know is of my grandfather Leslie William Short in south africa posted during the war i think.  The family dropped the Galbraith Short and just kept the Short so thats all i know.

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« Reply #61 on: Tuesday 08 March 16 20:13 GMT (UK) »
I think Galbraith was just used as a middle name, rather than a double barreled surname. The brother of Robert Galbraith Short, born 1875, who went to South Africa from St Helena, was plain William Robert Short.

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
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