Ellington's of Hull

[jillruss]

This is a real humdinger, isn't it? 

Were there 2 Harriet Ellingtons or just one who had a very colourful (if short) life?

I'd found Daniel Wilson's baptism on the IGI in Drypool in Sep 1833 s/o Thomas & Harriet, but you say 1834? So are there 2 Daniels? Also children of Thos & Harriet Wilson baptised in Drypool: May 1830 Elizabeth, Dec 1835 Sarah Elizabeth. So, seemingly, Thomas & Harriet only married after the births of the first 2 children in Dec 1833?

If the Richard Ellinton/Foreman was born/baptised in Beverley Jan 1831 s/o John & Harriet and William Ellinton was born/baptised in Beverley Nov 1832 s/o Harriet - what happened to John Foreman? I can't see a marriage!!

Time-wise, I think it's just possible for the same Harriet to have had all of the above children, but a bit close together and fathers are random!

I wonder if it would be possible to find out what the Harriet and Thomas Wilson who were in jail in 1841 had done? Hull Archives might be able to help.

Also, it would be great if we could make a family connection between the Wilson/Ellingtons and the Mary Porter you found with Daniel in Lincs. Do you know where Thomas Wilson originated?

Jill

[OLFEN1]

Hi Jill, I have made a big mistake. The Daniel I found on the 1841 Census, was actually at Easton Northants. On the record I have, it didn't give County, and I have just checked and found out my mistake. As for Thomas Wilson in Hull gaol, I have noticed that this Thomas was not born in Yorkshire, so cannot be my Thomas. Mine was born in Hull chr. St. Mary's. Now I am having a flight of fancy here, and maybe way off the mark, but do you think it is possible that my Thomas was calling himself William for some reason, I don't know why I should think of it, but what do you think.
There's not much on the IGI for Northants, although I do know that there were Ellington's in the area. I found this out on GenesReunited.

Ol

[Sisterjane]

Hi Ol

Just looking at the 51/61 cencus Thomas and Harriets dau Ellen is on the 1861 but is nowhere to be found in 1851!!Have you any idea where she was ?

Jane

[OLFEN1]

Hi Jane, Ellen Wilson is on the 1851 Census with her family at 3, Simpson's Gallery, 38, Little Queen st. This is the address where her Mother Harriet died. Ellen is then on the 1861 Census at 5, Primrose Place, South St. Along with the family.  She is next on the 1871 Census at 5, Brunswick Ave, by this time she had married a Anthony Depaillett in 1866  All Saints, Hull. Sometime between 1871 and 1881, Anthony died [possibly lost at sea] and Ellen went on to marry George Wilkinson. They are on the 1881 Census at 2, pleasant Place, English St.  Elizabeth, her sister married George Stonehouse 1865 All Saints. Hull. I Have them at 1, Eva Place, Adalaide St, on the 1871 Census. And on the 1891 Census at 11, St. Marks Square, 27, St. James St. Along with 8 children & 1 Grandchild.

Ol

[OLFEN1]

Hi Jill, in reply to your mentioning the question od Daniel's bpt. I thought myself for a long while that it was him, but I have since found out there were 4 Thomas Wilson's who went on to marry Harriet's in Drypool. And as My Thomas & Harriet married St. Mary's Sculcoates, I had to put the bpt to one side. I have been unable to find the bptsms for none of their children as yet. I have been in touch with the decendants of the three children for Thomas & Harriet, this is how I have found them on the Census.

Ol

[Sisterjane]

Hi again Ol...

Im looking at the 1851 Cencus HO107/2363/104/7

now unless im looking at the wrong entry Ellen Wilson is not on there ...what ref No do you have for her

Jane

[Yorkslass]

Hi all,

No I can't see her there either, though that is Thomas and his "new" wife, Mary Ann. 

I think Ol, you've got the house numbers mixed up with the "schedule" numbers.
Also, the Simpsons Gallery is "Siminson's Gallery".

I found something interesting about Little Queen Street, which might explain why it's not all on the 1841 census.

One of my books about "Old Hull" says the "1842 plan of Hull shows the street named for the first time, the name an obvious reference to the new Queen, Victoria, who ascended the throne in 1837".  It goes on to say this street was formerly known as "Portass Gardens" - I know it doesn't help to find Thomas and Harriet.....

This is certainly a mysterious family, and I'm as keen to find out about them as the rest of you are!!

Yorkslass

[OLFEN1]

Hi Jane & Jill, I have the printout for the 1851 Census, which does say Siminson Gallery as you say. The reference I have 107/2363 Myton 3. 104v.
Thomas Wilson "hd" 46 Dock Laborer   b. Hull.
Mary  A. Wilson  wife   37                         b. Hull.
Daniel    Wilson   son    17  Stone mason App.   b. Hull.
Elizabeth  Wilson  dau.   6..   Scholar.                 b. Hull.
Jane   Wilson       dau      7mnths.                        b. Hull.
And yes your right, it doesn't mention Ellen, I wonder why.  Ellen is mentioned on the 1861 Census for the same address. RG9/3590/08/118v,  5, Primrose Place, South St.
Her age on this census is given as 13.  b. Hull.
So where she was in 1851 I don't know.
Perhaps she was in hospital at the time, or visiting relatives. I will have to look that up.
By 1861, Daniel was already married, and working at Ampleforth  Collage, North Yorkshire as a Stonemason. He called his first daughter Harriet by the way, after his mother. His second daughter Jane Ellen was born at Ampleforth nr Helmsley in 1861.

Ol

[OLFEN1]

Hi Yorklass, thanks for the info on Little Queen St, so thats why I could find it. It was interesting to find out about the street though, what is the book you refer to?, I would love to have one. Do you know if this Portass Gardens is on the 1841 Census.
Thank you so much for your help, but you can see why I am nearly tearing my hair out over this. Daniel is my grt.grt.Grandfather bye the way, he married Charlotte Wilkinson in 1857 St. Mary's.

Ol