STONE Family, Melbourne, 1881 Census COMPLETED

[Richard Howlong]

Hi Tom and Judith

I have John Henry Reed's Marriage Certificate of 6 March 1884. If you contact me through Ancestry I will email you both a copy. I can also email you a printout of the whole Reed/Stone and Walker family details.

John Henry is listed as being  born as Henry at Ballarat in 1855 and his Parents were Henry Reed and Martha Mitchell . They had three children, Ennis, Oswald St John and Pearl Hawthorn Reed, who married into the Fagan family.

Martha died in 1860 aged 28 at 'Den' - (must be a bad transcription error) - somewhere in Victoria. There are three Henry Reeds in the Death Indexes to 1888 which fit the bill if he was born say in 1827 (five years before Martha was born). One died at Dunolly (the 'Den' in Martha's death records?) and the others at South Yarra and Brighton.

I am trying to find where John Henry and Anne are buried. Anne (Walker) is not recorded at Ballarat, Springvale, St Kilda or Fawkner Cemeteries so I have emailed the Melbourne General cemetery at Carlton. Otherwise I will need to buy the Death certificate.

John also married Annie Teresa Stone in 1902, the year before he died, as you are aware. He used his address as Rochester Terrace, Albert Park which doesn't exist. Hint of something?

Ellen Maria Stone, born 1861 at Melbourne, who became Sister Mary Claver, died in 1932 aged 63 at Brighton. Her death age of 63 is wildly off the mark and is either 71 or 70.  Her name was shown as Mary 'Claver' Stone. As a Catholic family, she took the name of St Peter Claver (1580-1654), the Patron Saint of Slaves (he worked and died in Columbia).

John Henry's second wife Annie Theresa Stone died as Annie Teresa 'Fabiola' Stewart at Frankston in 1921 aged 52. I see in your chats a newspaper recorded her name as 'Stuart'. I have searched both spellings but cannot find any marriage up to 1942 (last date for the indexes).  I have searched the Frankston Cemetery records but no luck.

Annie Theresa also took a Saints name (Saint Fabiola who died on 27 December 399 [or 400] who did good works among the poor in those early Roman days).

Look forward to seeing you from Ancestry.

Richard

[Richard Howlong]

Hi Judith and Tom


John and Margaret Stone and their child Ann Teresa (1865-1867) are buried in the same grave at Melbourne General Cemetery.

Also buried is Margaret's sister Mary McGann, aged 49 on 8 Apr 1878. I haven't been able to trace a Husband or children and nothing in the Immigration records for McGann or Moran.

Re Judith's Message of 4 April 2009

Margaret Stone (Moran) died in Jan 1920 aged 48 at Melbourne West. If her death age is correct, this makes her birth year 1836/1835. This agrees with the Unassisted records for another Margaret Moran, age 25, arrived October 1860 on the Merlin from a British port. I initially leaned towards this one but Belfast (Port Fairy) is about 200 kms East of Melbourne by road. It has/had a Port so she would have had to arrive there in October 1860, leave her employment, take a boat to Melbourne, meet John and marry him in Melbourne by 1 December that year - all in less than three months.

I think our Margaret is probably the Assisted Immigrant aged 20 who went to work for Mrs Marshall in North Melbourne.

The Victorian Government paid the fares for migrants who were sponsored by somebody in Victoria in those times to increase the Colony's population (and especially females to balance the gender imbalance caused by the Gold Rush).

My Great Grandmother came out in the same conditions in 1914 to Victoria just before WW1 was declared. The ship was mainly comprised of single females, occupations 'Domestics' or 'Servants' with very few married couples and not too many single young men.

Richard

[judb]

Electoral roll 1914 Balaclava district St Kilda West
Alexander STEWART, Queen's Mansions occupation 'none'
Annie Theresa Fabiola STEWART, Queen's mansions, home duties

Can't see them on any other rolls but there are many Alexander Stewarts and Annie Stewarts.  Had a bit of a hunt on the newspapers but couldn't see them there either.

On googling for Queens Mansions it appears to have been a classy boarding house - there is even an ad for it (see the Google reference)

Cheers, judith

[Tom Piper]

The only other thing I can find out about Eugenia Stone is this article cross referenced to Helena Rubenstein.

When she went to Australia, Helena Rubinstein took with her twelve pots of her mother’s face cream, a special formula developed by Hungarian chemist Jacob Lykusky. The Polish cream, sent to her from Krakow, sold very well in Australia. Good word of mouth from satisfied, well-known clients helped her shop prosper, teaching her the importance of publicity. After Eugenia Stone, a popular editor from Sydney, wrote about Rubinstein’s salon, Helena suddenly received fifteen thousand orders with money in them from everywhere in Australia.

Anyone like to comment at all?

Tom

[judb]

Hi Tom and Richard

Just looking on the UK incoming passenger lists and can't see any Stone or Sir George on the passenger lists for Macedonia arriving 1907. (I thought I'd have a look as perhaps Annie Teresa may have been with her sister).
I did see Sir George and Lady Doughty arriving from Montreal, Quebec, 1910 - no doubt having been to look at the fishing!  George (no title added!) and Lady Doughty 1912 from New York, Sir George and Lady D from South Africa, 1913.
Tough if you wanted him to to do something for you as your parliamentary representative.

Unfortunately the National Library appears to have no holdings for Table Talk so I can't look up your references    Helena Rubenstein was a very well known name in cosmetics in Australia and the story of how she began is well known.  I wonder who Eugenia was writing for in Sydney?  Is this th reference for the article - I have found a couple of other articles also which have the same information.

http://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/rubinstein-helena

Cheers, Judith

[judb]

Hello Tom

Couldn't see Table Talk in the Library catalogue but was looking for somewthing alse and there it was.  Tom, I'll email you the article from July 1907 'Miss Eugenia Stone's Engagement" which tells of Eugenia's 'exceptional social success' and 'conquests on shipboard which opened doors of wealth and fashion for her'. 

Richard, let me know if you would like it too.

I would be happy to have a look at other issues if we had any firm dates but there are many rolls of film for the magazine!

I can't find the Reed birth - it is not listed on "Marine Births"  nor on Victorian BMDs despite the anecdote from the obituary plus the odd assertion that he was'a native of Ballarat' even though he was supposedly born on a ship and taken to England 'almost immediately'.

Cheers, Judith

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

You are like a dog with a bone!! That's good news about Table Talk, will have to think of a few dates to work from, all those reels of film phew! Such a lot of winding to do!!

I have some news about Sister Mary Ellen Claver from Star of Sea Convent, now college, who died in 1932.

Tom

[tropicalj]

What a wonderfull  thread this has been  to  follow.

Judith as usual you  have excelled yourself,  the proverbial dog with a bone


RichardHowlong,  welcome to rootschat

Just to say  you  can send  personal messages  to  anyone now  you  have had  three posts.  See  the little Scroll  on  the left  of  the screen as you look at it under your name.  Click on  that to send personal messages.


Jenn

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

As regards the "Macedonia" inbound to London, with  Sir George and his new belle, Eugenia, on board in 1907. This ship called at Marseilles, France, so I think at least George travelled overland, by train from there to Dover and then by ferry to UK.

George did that on the way out to India, which wasn't just a holiday, he went out there to form a company, here's the newspaper article to confirm.

Times Court Circular Mon 14 Jan 1907
A large number of friends assembled in Grimsby Station last night to wish Bon Voyage to Sir George Doughty MP who left London whence he  proceeds tomorrow to Marseilles to join the P and O Steamer Macedonia  for Bombay. He will also visit Burma and Ceylon and on the homeward- journey will make a short tour in Egypt. He expects to be home at the end of March or early April.

He wrote several articles about his trip which were published in the local Grimsby Newspaper, he owned it!

Sister Ellen Mary  Claver (Stone) was a teacher at a  primary school at the corner of Abbott and Collingwood Streets in Sandringham, which had been founded in 1912, which she went to by train only recently constructed. Does that ring any bells with any rootschatter as to the name of  that school and whether it still exists? She died on 10th July 1932.

Tom