STONE Family, Melbourne, 1881 Census COMPLETED

[Tom Piper]

Judith,,
New information for you to look at:

John Henry Reed born 1854, Ballarat, Victoria and Anne Walker born 1859, Collingwood, Victoria, Australia. She died 1898 in Ballarat, Victoria.

Pearl Hawthorn Reed, daughter of John Hry Reed and Anne Walker (Annie) died 1965 in New South Wales.

Informant a new ancestry tree finder.

Tom

[judb]

Hi Tom

Mr Thomas Stone , aged 38 (what a fib), Married, never been to Canada before, born Australia, no occupation recorded,  was on the Makura arrived Vancouver 20 Aug 1912 from Sydney - source Ancestry Canadian Passenger lists.  I suppose this is him -  three months before Ennis and the children. You are right there is only a 1911 census listed for Canada so too early.

Annie Hawthorn REED m Harold Everard MARTIN 1914  Reg 9307 (I was actually having another look to see if I could find a remarriage for Annie Theresa without any luck.)
Cheers, Judith

[Tom Piper]

Happy Easter!

Yes that looks like our Thomas again, travelling in June or July 1912, before his wife Ennis who had given birth to their son Sylvester Anthony in April, if the incoming passenger lists for Canada are to believed when it records that Sylvester Anthony Stone was 7 months old on 12th November, 1912 when Ennis Reed and her two children arrive on the Makura's next voyage maybe from Sydney to Vancouver.

Keep up the good work. Would the electoral roll have any information as to where our Thomas and Ennis was between 1903 and 1912. He married in 1908 according to the index, and the two children were born 1909 and 1912.

It seems he is going to Vancouver to look after his brother-in-law's fishing interests in that country. Sir George owned a fleet of trawlers in England but I have no info of his fishing interests in British Columbia.

Tom

[judb]

Hi Tom
My reply #33 gave their electoral roll info for 1909.  Other earlier reply (maybe #8) shows Thomas at home in 1903 with father John and siblings - he is listed as 'clerk'.

Poor Ennis left to manage two little kids on a ship.
Cheers, Judith

[Richard Howlong]

Hi Tom and Judith

I am a new member of RootsChat (joined today) and am researching John Henry Reed's daughter Pearl Hawthorn Reed (1888-1965) who married Thomas Joseph Fagan (1876-1958).

I have the 'Fagan of Walbundrie' Tree on Ancestry and if you contact me directly from that site I can help as well. I am in the process of adding my latest research to my Fagan Ancestry Tree.

I have now finished the Reed and Stone connections and many thanks to you as I have been following your notes which have helped me quite a bit. Some of your queries will be answered in my Ancestry Tree when it is added to (bad ending).

I hope I can find your replies (not at all sure how this works) but would like you to contact me through Ancestry as I know that works.

Richard Howlong

[judb]

Hello Richard and Tom

Nice to have you along, Richard - hope you can find us again!  Wil have a go at contacting you through Ancestry but I usually only use it for research.

Yesterday I had a hunt through The Ballarat Courier for an obit for John Henry REED and lo and behold there was.  I'll PM it in full to both of you but thought there may be others following this thread who may be interested so here's the gist of it:

According to  The Ballarat Courier Wed 29 Sept 1903 John Henry REED was born in 1854 on his father's ship Beaucoup lying at anchor in Port Philip.  He returned to England and then back to Australia at age 7.  Began his pharmaceutical apprenticeship at age 15 in Melbourne, 6 years later he joined Mr Longstaff, chemist in Ballarat, left after 18 months and set up in business in Sydney. Three years later back to Melbourne then to Ballarat, with later branches in country towns.  The obit mentions his marriage to "Miss Walker", her death and his second marriage but no mention of the name of his second wife; also mentins three children but not named.
Interestingly he is described as 'a native of Ballarat' which beats me as he was born 60 miles away on a ship and apparently was not in Ballarat at least till he was 7.

I've had a hunt on the 1861 UK census as I thought they may have been there, also looked on a couple of sites for the ship but no luck in either place.

Hoping Richard may be able to shed some light for us -nothing about thsi lot is straightforward!

Cheers, Judith

[Tom Piper]

Richard & Judith

Sounds like a TV show in Uk! I now know where Tom Stone went to from Sydney in 1912-it was to a new fish canning factory set up by Tom's brother-in-law, Sir George Doughty at Skidgate on the east coast of Queen Charlotte island, Canada. Here George had bought  one of the canneries, some land around it, and also 250 acres of land at Porpoise Harbour (Prince Edward) on the new Grand Trunk Railway. George's scheme was to catch halibut and salmon, can it and send it in refrigerated railway wagons to the east where it would be shipped to Uk.

Sir George visited British Columbia in 1910, and again in 1913, needed an operation in New York (in New York Times), The scheme failed, so that was why Tom Stone and Ennis his wife nee Reed went to UK in 1916.

Tom

[Tom Piper]

Does that mean that we wont be able to trace John Henry Reed's parents unless we can find out about the ship Beaucoup. Judith you said that there was no digger reference for John Reed born Ballarat but if he was in fact born in Port Philip Bay would he have to be registered?

Are there any baptism records for around that time and if there are where would we find them?

Richard have you any information on John's parent hood?

I too had a look at the census but without J H Reed's parent's names we are a bit stuck unless we search on suggested parental names from J H Reed's family names such as Pearl, Ennis etc.

Tom

[Tom Piper]

I had a look at the census using the idea of Pearl, and found a Henry Pearl Reed,  born 1825, Bristol,son of Charles Reed a retired wine merchant from Devon. Henry Pearl Reed is a ship's broker, and was living in Bristol in 1871 and 1861.

Charles Reed in the 1861 census is shown to 35 and father of Henry Reed, but that's a misprint when you look at the original.

Charles and his wife Elizabeth live in Clifton, Bristol in 1851.

Not much further yet, so just a hunch so far.

Tom