STONE Family, Melbourne, 1881 Census COMPLETED

[cando]

Hi Judith

Belfast was the former name of Port Fairy, Vic.

Cheers
Cando

[judb]

Hi Cando  and Tom

Cando, you are a real treasure! Many thanks for that.

Possible death for husband of Annie STONE

Jno Hy REED D 1903, age 49, death place Balwyn, reg 12195; father Jno Henry Reed, mother Martha unknown
I think this is the husband of Annie and the person whose will you have - Camberwell and Balwyn are very close.

HOWEVER here is the death notice from The Argus 28 October 1903
REED - on the 27th October, at his residence "Allanvale", loch St Camberwell, John Henry Reed, late of Ballarat, beloved husband of Jessie F Reed, son of the late Captain Reed.  Aged 49.

Cannot see a marriage for Annie/Ann REED up to 1920.

I think my brain is addled for now!  Will have another go at these Reeds soon.

Cheers, Judith

[Tom Piper]

Judith & Cando

I think that there is too much guesswork here-I only downloaded this will of John Henry Reed died 1903 formerly of Ballarat because it seemed to fit, but with a wife called Jessie it doesn't. However it did mention a Annie Theresa Fabiloa Reed but that is guesswork again.

So a mystery still.the death notice in the Argus is him okay, and n the 1918 directory 652 High Street Armadale was occupied by Miss Rachel Kittson from library at Stonnington History centre.

Tom

[judb]

Now, Tom, it is no good fobbing me off with 'too much guesswork' - I am very determined 

The problem is that on the one hand there are too many Jno Hy REEDs and on the other hand not enough!

The Digger Pioneer index (1836-1888) has no match for a birth for a John Reed until 1862 - another John Henry REED b Sand 1862 with a marriage 1884 and birth of a child to that marriage (also Jno Hy REED) 1885 in Shurst (Sandhurst is an old name for Bendigo) so this is not our J Reed.

The will lists his children as Oswald John, Ennis and Pearl so he is the father, I assume Annie nee WALKER is their mother and Annie Teresa is a later marriage.
There are still a couple of very odd pieces of the puzzle - the will definitely states that Annie Theresa Fabiola (and, of course, the first two of those forenames are those of Annie Teresa STONE who married a Jno Hy REED born Ballarat in 1902) is his widow but the death notice cites Jessie F, and the death notice has no mention of his children.  Curiouser and curiouser!  I'm pleased he had livestock - fowls worth 1pound! 

1903 census has John Henry REED chemist and Annie Teresa REED home duties at Pleasant St Ballarat.
1909 census Annie Teresa Tobolia (!) REED home duties Loch St Camberwell.
Can't see any other electoral roll entries that fit.

On a quick look I couldn't see a remarriage for Annie REED, so the question remains - is she 'Mrs Stuart' daughter of John STONE?  This lot seem to have played fast and loose with forenames also!
They look like one of my families who married other family connections, making the search for them quite complicated.

Hmm - and what about Tom Sylvester being seen as a 'Yankee' and trying to get a US passport.  This family sure is fascinating!

Cheers, Judith who will be back at ANL on the track of the Stones soon!

[wobbly]

Hey what fun they are!! I am off to the library in Grimsby today, about 80 miles to the east, where I am assured they have a photograph of T. Sylvester Stone. On 20th June, 1934, he inherited around £15,000 from the will of his sister Eugenie Bertuance Stone, widow of Sir George Doughty.

I would also like to know when the same man went to Canada and where exactly, we know his wife was in Canada in 1912.
arrival 12 Nov 1912, ship Makura, from Sydney, Australia to Vancouver  Canadian Passenger Lists from Ancestry also Mavis Stone age 3 Anthony Stone age 7mths.
 
So any more than that would be helpful, eg when T Sylvester left the country.

It looks like you are on the right track and that will I downloaded with the name of Annie Theresa Fabiola on it is to with the same family. I am going to copy it all out then send it to you, then we can see what it actually says.

By the way that will is that from the same archive-I did see one from Bendigo there I'm sure. Which will are you talking about where have you seen it, the one with the fowls.

I have e-mailed the convent, but have done that before with no result, wonder if any other rootschatter has been in touch with the former convent now a school.

Keep searching!!

Tom

[judb]

Hi Tom (even YOU are changing names too often LOL), thanks for the PM

The will is from the PROV will site

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/access/probate.asp

When you get to John H REED (chemist) there are 3 links.  The first link is not on-line info but the 2nd and 3rd links get you to the ractual documents. I didn't save it but I think link 2 gives the valuation of his assets and debts (looks like Annie got some nice clothes by the names of the shops he had accounts at!) and I think link 3 has the actual will.  You just have to wait ages for each to download.

Cheers, Judith who can't get to the ANL till Tuesday probably 

[judb]

1909 electoral roll has Thomas, accountant, and Ennis, home duties, STONE at Normanby St, Brighton, Vic

I assume you have Ennis and Thomas's arrival from New York to Port of London,arrival 16 Aug 1916,- Thomas age 50, Ennis age 35,  with Anthony age 4, Mavis age 7.  I know there are some Canadian censuses but my Ancestry is only for Aus and UK.  Another task at the National Library.

Cheers. judith

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

No I didn't have their arrival date into the Port of London, quite a risky journey in war time in the North Atlantic during World War 1. The Canadian census nearest is 1911, were you thinking of anything else?

Yes I have downloaded all 3 documents, the list of creditors, and persons them money, the affidavit sworn by Mr. Glasson and Annie Teresa Fabiola, and the will itself, containing the names of John Henry's children, and Annie Teresa's step-children.So if it is the same Ann Teresa Stone born 1869 who marries our John Henry Reed in 1902 and he pops his clogs in 1903, then what a good deal for her! She would have been 34 in 1902 and John Henry well a lot older, I don't think we have his birth yet.

Thomas Sylvester Stone's  sister did the same thing in marrying an older man and then inherited his wealth!

I now have some more information about T Stone as mayor, and a couple of pictures of him. He went into public in 1920, and in the year he was elected Mayor, (November 1936), his wife Ennis Stone nee Reed was ill and died on Christmas Day.

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

The list of liabilities, the shops, the suppliers, names of Dentists etc, this is a valuable history of life in Ballarat in the early 1900's.

I wonder if anyone else would be interested in them if I copied them out?

I see that there are some photographs of old Ballarat on

http://www.pictureaustralia.org/index.html

Tom