STONE Family, Melbourne, 1881 Census COMPLETED

[judb]

They certainly got about and altered their names a few times! So where did they all finish up? John Stone's wife does not appear in any of the electoral roll entries so it looks as though she may have died before 1903.

Lovely to see the photos.

Cheers, Judith

[Tom Piper]

Eugenia Bertuance sailed to England on the "Macedonia" in April 1907. She was wrote for "Table Talk", and I think was coming to England to join a newspaper, but that information is inside "Table Talk" which is at Victoria Archives.

By chance, Sir George, MP knighted 1904, widower, millionaire type, newspaper owner etc,  was in India on holiday, and on the way home joined the same ship as Eugenia at Calcutta. She was pretty, vivacious, intelligent and single.....

He died in 1914, at Waltham Hall, Grimsby, leaving £50,000 she died at River House Esher, London, in 1934, leaving £35,000.

Thomas Sylvester Stone, became Mayor of Grimsby, Lincolnshire, he died 1940, in Grimsby, his wife Ennis died in Grimsby in 1936. They had 3 children, Mevis, Sylvester and Thomas John, not sure what happened to them.

Margaret Frances Stone married Ernest Whitehead from London. he died on a liner called "Megantic", sister to "Titanic", - he was purser, she died in Grimsby in 1942. Ellen Maria Stone went to the Star of the Sea Convent in Melbourne, not sure what happened to her, though she benefited from Eugenia's will.

Tom

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

I have just looked at  16 Maribyrnong Rd, Moonee Ponds on Google Street View, and it shows a typical Aussie bungalow, what we in England would say semi-detached, and I just wondered if you or anyone else would know if that was the house there in 1903 when John Stone and family lived in that road according to the Electoral roll.

Secondly, is there anyway I can find out how old John Stone was at that time and when he was born etc.

Tom

[judb]

Tom
Do you have any further information about John Stone such as his parents' names?  You can download any of the children's birth certificates or the marriage certificate for $17.50.  You will need to know the reference number but I think you should be able to get that from Digger.  Otherwise ask again and some kind R'chatter may give it to you or you can get it from the Victorian index fo 99c.  Victorian certificates give a lot of information about family and origins etc.  I would think the marriage certificate might be a good place to start.  Look up the Victoria Reseorurces in the Australia resources at the top of the page which will give you the links.

There are 9 possible Unassisted immigrants who could be your John (assuming he immigrated) which makes it too difficult to work out which one is yours.  I haven't even looked at the Assisted immigration list.

I googled Moonee Ponds history and it seems to have been settled as a suburb from the 1880s so I would think the little semi-detached would be the same one as the Stone family lived in.  The other addresses seem to be changed - one of them seems to be a used car lot now!

Seems like the Stones did the opposite to many others emigrating TO the UK!

Let us know if you find out anything else!

Cheers, Judith

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

Yes I have the index number 3777, and will try for the certificate.  I also had a look at the unassisted passages for Tom Stone's wife, Margaret Moran and saw that there would possibly be just the one, a young Margaret Moran coming in on the Africa as an 18 year old in 1858. However I searched for her there without success so far.

I have used the excellent British 19th century newspapers index to look for her as well, there are a few references to several persons by the name of Margaret Moran, mainly Irish, but nothing concrete so far.

If anyone wants that reference then go to http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/onrl/  and join online and start searching-very addictive. They also have the Times online archive there as well. Maybe you can do the same from Australian libraries as well.

Tom

[judb]

Hi Tom

Yes, one can waste a lot of time on those interesting papers which I can access through the national library here.

Now here are a few more bits which you may already have - or not!

John Stone's death:
Accordng to the electoral rolls he was still registered in 1914 but not in 1919.  There are two possible deaths on the Digger Great War index:
1914 Jno STONE parents unkown age 84 MELB E  reg 6354
1918 Jno STONE parents unkown age 92 Am reg 7161

It would seem to me that ii's more logical that the first of these could be him as I'm fairly sure South Yarra would be in the Melbourne East registration district.  Look in the 'Australia Resources' to see what information you will get from a death cert - unfortunately not parents in this case.  There were some others listed as well but not such good matches, in my opinion.

DEATHS:
Margaret STONE, 1884, age 48, parents John Moran, Ellen Doyle, MELB W reg 2172
Evelyn Geraldino (sic) STONE, 1929, aged 49, MELB E, Reg 15268, parents Jno Stone, Margaret Moran
Anne Theresa STONE 1867 age 2, parents John Stone, Margaret Moran, MELB Reg 8696 (Born 1865)

Marriage perhaps;
1902 Annie Teresa STONE born MELB E to Jno Hy REED born BALLT (Ballarat)  reg 5334

Can't find a death for Ellen but perhaps it's registered under her religious name. 

Now the immigration information is interesting.
A Margaret Moran  aged 18 is listed as an Unassisted immigrant on the Afirca arriving August 1858.  There is an Assisted Immigrant of the same name aged 20 on the same ship!  The age 20 fits better with the death above as that would give a birthdate of around 1836. 
The Africa left from Liverpool with 400 souls and provisioned for 140 days 16 April, 1858; arrived Melbourne 14 August, 1858 There were 15 deaths on board - 5 from measles.
The Margaret Moran age 19 is listed as a servant, nationality Irish.
The Margaret Moran, aged 20 assisted immigrant  is listed as a dairymaid, native country Ireland, Tipperary, ; on the 'Disposal List' it says she has "gone with Mrs Marshall, Dryburgh St."

Dryburgh St is still there in North Melbourne, and reasonably close to the later residences.

Hope that gives you a bit more to go on!

Cheers, Judith

[judb]

Well, Tom, my intuition has failed!!

I have found the will of John Stone leaving 150 pounds to his daughter Sister Mary Clar??? and the rest to his daughter Evelyn Stone.  It gives his address in 1914 as 14 King William St Fitzroy.  Death date 27 Jul 1918. His residence at time of death is given as Malvern - in the same area as South Yarra.  So it seems he is the John Stone died aged 92 in 1918.  Down load for free.

http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/access/probate.asp

Cheers, Judith

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

That's amazing, thanks very much, how sensible the sate of Victoria is to have wills available like that on line, when you think how difficult and expensive it is to obtain wills in this country UK

First you have to go the Probate index, which is not on line, then send a letter to York and pay £5 and then after a month get a will sent to you.

Now we know when John died and where, who is family were, his occupation, and can work out now where he was born etc. It proves relationships.

Tell me how have you found out all these deaths in Melbourne, do you have the info anyway or has it meant looking for it?

Tom

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

Another strange thing about that will is that when Tom dictated it to his executor, he was living at 14, King William Street, Fitzroy, Victoria. Well my wife and I have walked past that address on the way to Melbourne park at the MCG to watch cricket between England and Australia and also the Aussie Open tennis.

Tom