STONE Family, Melbourne, 1881 Census COMPLETED

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

Now 3 replies to same message: His sister is Mary Clavier, of Star of the Sea Convent. who was left £1000 in the will of sister Lady Eugenie Doughty of River House, Esher England in 1934. The other sister Evelyn must have remained unmarried if you found  her death in 1929. There maybe something in an English paper about his death too, will have a look.

John did not leave any money to anyone else of the family no doubt because they were either married already or deceased.

Maybe he wasn't in touch with anyone else in the Stone family.

I have e-mailed the library in Malvern to see if there is a newspaper report of his death at 92, must have been remarked somehow.

Tom

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

Marriage certificate confirms the parents of Margaret Moran as John Moran & Ellen Doyle. They were  married on 1st December, 1860 in St Francis R.C. church, Melbourne, John was 33 and Margaret was 25. Margaret was from County Wicklow, Ireland and John was also from Ireland, county difficult to read, but looks like West Meath.

John's parents were Thomas & Hannah Stone, farmer, Margaret's father also was a  farmer.

The forename of Ellen Doyle fits with child's name of Ellen Stone as does Thomas Stone. The age of Margaret Moran may cast doubt on that previous unassisted immigrant in 1858., but it could be Margaret Moran on the Merlin in October 1860, fiche ref: 13A 100 or 13 748 on British Immigration

http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search_results.asp

Tom

[judb]

Tom

I had a lovely afternoon at the Australian National Library yesterday chasing up your family!  I found it a real challenge and enjoyed the hunt.  The ANL has excellent genealogical resources eg the Digger BDM indexes, and also the immigration fiche - next time I go I'll have a look at the passenger info for the Margaret Moran on the Merlin.  Qucik marriage though if she only arrived in October and married in December.  Perhaps they already knew each other.  I'll also have a look at old copies of the Melbourne papers now that I have an actual death date for John.

Yes, coincidences are amazing.  We have relatives who live near Petersfield and I have one family of ancestors from Bedhampton/Emsworth area but I didn't know that last time we were in UK and we actually went to Emsworth.  I have another family with burials at Mere, Chicklade and West Camel, all of which we went through on our way to stay with another relative near Montacute. Next time, next time!

I agree about the wills although at least the pre1855 PCC wills are downloadable from the (UK) National Archives.  The ANL has a full set of the UK probate index - I know of a couple of people who send to friends here to look up the UK wills index as it is easier to find here in Canberra.  The Victorian wills have only just come online. 

Cheers, Judith

[Tom Piper]

Okay another puzzle for you.

Thomas Sylvester Stone, son of John and Margaret, married Ennis Gwendolyn Reed in 1908 (Digger Index 3410 ) Her parents were John Henry Reed and Anne Walker Marriage Year: 1884 Reg Number: 1114.

John Henry Reed and Anne Walker had 3 children, that I know of namely, Ennis Gwendolyn, 1885 (Year: 1885:Reg Number: 10546), Oswald St. John(Birth Place: HAWThorn Death Place: Year: 1886 Reg Number: 10879), Pearl Hawthorn (Year: 1888 Reg Number: 3629 )

Now as you found in 1902 an  Annie Teresa STONE born MELB E married  Jno Hy REED born BALLT (Ballarat)  reg 5334) Anne Teresa was born in 1869, daughter of John Stone and Margaret Moran, the one to replace the one who died aged 2.

I have downloaded a will of a John Henry Reed, chemist formerly of Bridge Street, Ballarat and lately of Lech Street,Camberwell, who died in 1903, leaving money to his wife Ann Teresa Fabiola Reed. He left around £7,500, but was this John Henry Reed father of Ennis Gwendolyn or son of John Henry Reed and Annie Walker? The will does not mention the age of the dead Reed in 1903.

Ennis Gwendolyn Reed died Christmas Day 1936 in Grimsby, Lincolnshire, lady Mayoress of Grimsby.

Tom

[Tom Piper]

Judith,

Holstein House Connection from above!  This is the report of Margaret Frances Stone's marriage to Ernest Whitehead.

Grimsby Telegraph: 23:02:1914
Marriage of Miss Margaret Stone: Quiet ceremony at St. Mary's Church this morning.:

The marriage of Miss Margaret Frances Stone, daughter of Mr. John Stone of Holstein House, South Yarra, Melbourne, Australia, and Mr. Ernest William Whitehead, second son of Mr. E. Whitehead, Whitehall, London was celebrated very quietly at St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church, Grimsby this Monday morning at 1030. The Very Revd. Cantab O'Donoghue afficiated.

The bride was given away by the Borough Member (Sir George Doughty) and was attended by one bridesmaid Miss Mildred Ward -Gillespie. Mr. Wilfred Vere Doughty acted as best man. After the ceremony Miss Teague, the organist at St. Mary's played  Mendelssohn's "Wedding March".

Also present were Lady Doughty, (sister Eugenia Stone) Mrs. Petter (mother of the bridegroom), Mrs. Rowland Charlton, Misses Ethel and Gladys Moss. After the ceremony all returned to Waltham Hall where dejeuner was served. At 1230, Mr. and Mrs. E.  Whitehead left for London where they will take up residence at King's Gardens, Hampstead, London. A great number of presents were received from relatives and friends in Australia, India, Africa and Canada as well as several gifts from Grimsby friends.

A quiet wedding my foot! More of a Grimsby society wedding not lunch but "dejeuner" not your normal Aussie barbie, but it was an English February!

Tom

[judb]

Thanks Tom - I'll have a hunt for some of this but won't be at the ANL till Wednesday at least.
Hmmm - a quiet wedding? Oh well, how the other half live!
And all through this poor Evelyn played Cinderella - without a prince (apparently).

Thanks for the extra info - this family has me intrigued.

Cheers, Judith

[Tom Piper]

I have a uploaded photos of both T. Sylvester Stone and his wife Ennis, taken from newpapers of 1920 and 1936 respectively hence poor clarity.

[Tom Piper]

This is a description of Thomas Stone from a newspaper in 1920
Grimsby Telegraph 20 02 1920

Nominated today for the South Ward vacancy Mr. T. S. Stone is in the happy position of being supported by both Liberals and Unionists. Known to business associates as "T. Sylvester Stone" he is "Tom" Stone to his friends. He is a real hustler, and the man who thinks there are flies on Tom Stone is out to be disillusioned. Mr. Stone might be mistaken for a Yankee, and in this connection he had an amusing experience when he went into the Passport office at New York and applied for a passport to enable him to travel. The official just gave one glance at him then said "With a face like that you want no passport in America-git!!" and T.S. gat!

 Blunt but Tactful

 During the war Mr. Stone did valuable work as hon.secretary of the Belgian Refugees fund. He is the secretary of the newly formed Literary and Debating Society, which had its inaugural meeting last Saturday. By profession an accountant, he has a wonderful head for figures and it will be a good man who gets around him in a matter of finance. One of the best type of men to come forward in connection with municipal work for a very long time, Mr. Stone should assuredly be the choice of the ward. He is kindly and genial, but very direct and blunt in speech. Like most men who say what they mean but do it tactfully, he is very popular.

Tom

[judb]

Death notice in The Argus (Melbourne) Monday 29 July 1918

STONE - On the 27 July, John Stone, aged 94, of "Airedale" Armadale, relict of the late Margaret Stone, and much loved father of S M Claver (sic) (Presentation Convent Elsternwick), Mrs E Whitehead (England), T Sylvester (England), Mrs Stuart, Lady Doughty (England) , Miss Eva Stone.  RIP (Interred privately)

SO - had Annie Theresa re-married to a Mr Stuart? 

Had a look at the fiche for Margaret Moran on the Merlin - appalling handwriting of the clerk!
This Margaret's 'calling' listed as General Servant, she is Irish from what looks like Kings Co??, Roman Catholic, cannot read or write, age 25.  Disposal list  - employer Mrs Russell or Bussell, address Belfast, Belfash?.  I don't reconginse any area of Melbourne ever having this name but it is listed a number of times in this Disposal list so perhaps there was an area that was renamed at another time. 

Cheers, Judith